ROGER MARIS vs AARON JUDGE

[ALR-bishop]

After coming over from the dark side

[gonefishin]

Thanks - the photo on his 67 always made me feel a little sorry for Roger - I don't know why.

[ALR-bishop]

He made the Series in 67 and 68 and scored a Budweiser distributorship on retirement so the trade worked out well for him. He almost retired rather than play in 67

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But cancer at 51

[Mutton Chop Yaz]

He looks deeply melancholy on nearly every one of his cards.

[gonefishin]

He looks sad on most all of his cards.

It looks like his record is going to survive another year - we will see.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

He looks sad on most all of his cards.

It looks like his record is going to survive another year - we will see.

Yeah, I thought when Stanton came back from his injury he'd give Judge some protection in the lineup so they can't pitch around him as much...but he's been trash, along with the rest of the lineup for awhile now.

As a cynical Yankee fan, I see a bunch of bad trades in tandem with the injury bug finally hitting them in the 2nd half of the year, not boding well for the playoffs.

[Seven]

Makes you feel bad for Roger Maris, the more you learn about his story. His hair was falling out from the stress of the record, plus the fact that most people wanted Mantle to break it rather than him. The press hounded him, people bothered his family. I think that stress really stayed with him afterwards. He was productive following 61 for a few seasons but nowhere near the player he was in 60 or 61. Didn't help the injury bug caught him.

[packs]

I'd say took its toll doesn't go far enough. Take a look at Roger on my 65 Topps card. He's only 29 in that photo.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

After coming over from the dark side

Hmmmm. I'm wondering whether that card was a legitimate photo or whether there was some air brushing and over painting done to the photo.

[Volod]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Hmmmm. I'm wondering whether that card was a legitimate photo or whether there was some air brushing and over painting done to the photo

Are you maybe referring to Roger's head appearing to be oversized in the photo compared to the body? That is simply an illusion created by the perspective in the photo of the card, which was taken from an angle above the holder. Here is a straight on shot of the card in which his head appears at normal size.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Volod

Are you maybe referring to Roger's head appearing to be oversized in the photo compared to the body?

What makes me wonder is that the very large Cardinals logo on the front of his jersey is completely obscured from that angle. I'm surprised that a tiny bit of the logo isn't peaking out from under his arm.

[rats60]

In the late 60s, Maris was a bigger star than Aaron or Clemente. In the end, his decision to retire at age 33 doomed his HOF case. Only 5100 ABs and 1325 Hits. If he has played on and got closer to 2000 hits and 400 HRs, he would have made it easy. Longevity matters more than having a couple of good seasons.

[Volod]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

What makes me wonder is that the very large Cardinals logo on the front of his jersey is completely obscured from that angle. I'm surprised that a tiny bit of the logo isn't peaking out from under his arm.

Ok, but why would someone in the Topps photo department take it upon themself to airbrush out the Cardinals logo? Maris was in '68 a Cardinals player, so what would be the motive for doing that? Or, could it be that he was somehow wearing a uniform with no logo? Have stranger things never happened?

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Volod

Or, could it be that he was somehow wearing a uniform with no logo? Have stranger things never happened?

Yes, that's my concern. Some spring training jersey and neither he nor the photographer that day thought it was worth the effort to find a real Cards jersey for the photo.

[Volod]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Yes, that's my concern. Some spring training jersey and neither he nor the photographer that day thought it was worth the effort to find a real Cards jersey for the photo.

You know, I think I have figured out what was going on with Maris' jersey. If you look at photos from 1968, you see that the Cardinals Bat logo was positioned just below the second button from the top. But you also notice that Maris was in the habit of wearing a jersey about one size too small for his frame. He also had fairly heavier upper arms than other players. As a result, the logo on his too small jersey sat higher up on his chest and when he turned sideways, his shoulder and arm completely obscured the entire logo.