Do you consider this to be a fraudulent listing by Heritage?

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

I do believe in my statement that if it was a true unopened pack it would be certified...that's where the actual and only value lies, a 1979 OPC (or Topps) pack with a Gretzky RC showing. A clear sticker with a Gretzky auto on it has maybe $200 worth of value if you're lucky. A legit unopened pack with a Gretzky RC showing is probably a $20k-$50k item??? And, in addition, we're to believe someone has both an OPC pack and a Topps pack like this for offer in this auction, and then also more on tap for upcoming auctions? That reeks of absolute nonsense to me...and apparently only to me, lol.

If this pack was legit, it would almost be the hockey equivalent of taking a '52 Topps unopened pack with Mantle showing, putting a clear autographed sticker on it, and having PSA certify only that the autograph on the sticker is genuine, no...one...would...ever...do...that.

Oh I think this is a trial run, but yes it is certainly quite possible the card in the pack is fake and the pack resealed. I am just stating that the catch 22 is that the pack is basically ungradable.

I would wager that I am even likely wrong that it would be accepted by PSA for pack grading at all. The Topps Rookie Premiere scandal that absolutely killed them in 2007-8 as they graded an absolute ton of backdoored cards with fake signatures as “authentic” and stated it happened as they were only grading the cards themselves and not the signature would likely have them stating that without removing the sticker they would refuse to grade just the pack.

Funny thing is that this submitter flipped that on its head.

Psa did actually take a safe route by only putting “sticker” on this.

[JustinD]

Out of curiosity, as you said this was the 3rd you’ve seen, what were the prices reached on the others? I did not see one in a complete d search and think someone would be nuts to spend real dollars like you mentioned on this.

I am sure they are out there…”a fool and his money”.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Out of curiosity, as you said this was the 3rd you’ve seen, what were the prices reached on the others? I did not see one in a complete d search and think someone would be nuts to spend real dollars like you mentioned on this.

I am sure they are out there…”a fool and his money”.

There are two active on Heritage that end Sunday (this OPC and a Topps) and one upcoming in September...so no realized prices yet. If people want to spend thousands on a fantasy pack, so be it...but make it clear that's what it is (and of course I don't know with literal 100% certainty this is a fantasy pack...but come on, of course it is). I wonder if other auction houses passed on these.

I'm gonna try and be over it now. I appreciate everyone's input and thoughts.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

There are two active on Heritage that end Sunday (this OPC and a Topps) and one upcoming in September...so no realized prices yet. If people want to spend thousands on a fantasy pack, so be it...but make it clear that's what it is (and of course I don't know with literal 100% certainty this is a fantasy pack...but come on, of course it is). I wonder if other auction houses passed on these.

I'm gonna try and be over it now. I appreciate everyone's input and thoughts.

I am totally in agreement that it is a rather distasteful situation and if I was in charge at Heritage I would distance myself from the item to avoid any future possible ramifications. While they are technically covered, it leaves something to be desired for sure.

You’ve certainly brought good points.