Goldschmidt -- HOF chances?

Mike D. · #1 08-30-2022, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trout??

Oh I see this is non locks got it. Barring catastrophic injury I would rank Harper over Betts, I believe a lot of Betts' WAR is from defense and who cares lol. Harper is still not even 30, to me that's amazing.

Yes, Trout is a lock. Here's the article I did on sure thing active hitters and sure thing active pitchers.

Harper and Betts are only a couple weeks apart in age, they both have a good shot. Yes, Betts baserunning and defense adds a higher percentage of his value than Harpers. Harper has played 300 more games, and has more career homers, but their career OPS+ is fairly close (144 for Harpers, 135 for Betts).

My article on active pitchers on the path hasn't been published yet, but that's where it gets tricky. Outside the locks, the pickings get rather slim pretty quickly.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 08-30-2022, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

Yes, Trout is a lock. Here's the article I did on sure thing active hitters and sure thing active pitchers.

Harper and Betts are only a couple weeks apart in age, they both have a good shot. Yes, Betts baserunning and defense adds a higher percentage of his value than Harpers. Harper has played 300 more games, and has more career homers, but their career OPS+ is fairly close (144 for Harpers, 135 for Betts).

My article on active pitchers on the path hasn't been published yet, but that's where it gets tricky. Outside the locks, the pickings get rather slim pretty quickly.

Yeah four locks I assume, then I guess Cole and DeGrom might be on track, then I dunno. Can't see Wainwright, Bumgarner seems to have imploded, Lance Lynn eh, who else?

Mike D. · #3 08-30-2022, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah four locks I assume, then I guess Cole and DeGrom might be on track, then I dunno. Can't see Wainwright, Bumgarner seems to have imploded, Lance Lynn eh, who else?

Cole might be get there, but it's a long climb. The two SP's I see with a shot are Sale and DeGrom, and I gotta say Sale's chances are kind of nosediving.

Other than that, there's a couple relievers with a shot, but it's mostly pretty...bleak.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 08-30-2022, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

Cole might be get there, but it's a long climb. The two SP's I see with a shot are Sale and DeGrom, and I gotta say Sale's chances are kind of nosediving.

Other than that, there's a couple relievers with a shot, but it's mostly pretty...bleak.

Sale is a tragic story, I just don't see it.

Mike D. · #5 08-30-2022, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sale is a tragic story, I just don't see it.

Yes, like so many others, he was on the path...then his elbow blew up. And he broke his back. Then he broke his finger trying to catch a comebacker. Then he broke his wrist falling off his bike.

Ouch.

ronniehatesjazz · #6 08-31-2022, 09:54 AM

I think he�s in without having 3-4 more years like this. He will have 4 top MVPs. 7x AS, likely an MVP, and probably cross 2,000 hits if he just hobbles around for 3 more mediocre seasons. Also, was one of the dominant power hitters of his era, and actually stole some bases as well. The only way he doesn�t get in is if something tragic happens and he�s out of the league in a year or two or something else off the wall (e.g. PED use). I�d also say if he gets the triple crown this year he could retire immediately after and still get in.

packs · #7 08-31-2022, 11:05 AM

I'm wondering why you think that though. I don't feel like Goldschmidt has accomplished all that much in his career other than being an above average player.

I do agree that if he manages to win the Triple Crown this season, that makes him an automatic HOFer just by virtue of the accomplishment. I don't see how you keep a borderline guy out after he wins a Triple Crown.

But without the Triple Crown, the MVP award still makes him look an awful lot like Joey Votto to me, and I don't believe Joey Votto is a HOF player. I don't think he was as good as Todd Helton either and I also don't really see a HOFer in Helton.

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