PWCC expands its lending activities

Schlesinj · #1 09-08-2022, 09:34 PM

I know the Alt platform announced they would be offering a similar program several months ago. If I remember correctly the rate was nearly 10% and the loan to value was something like 60% of perceived value.

So now people can leverage off their house value or stock portfolio or sports collectibles or some type of unsecured loan. You can buy a fraction of a stock, baseball card or a house too. Very interesting times we live in.

Casey2296 · #2 09-08-2022, 10:41 PM

Two words: Leverage and betting on the come.

It's a nice lending model and very profitable, the risk is all on you and the asset. When the chips are down they don't even have to come after you, they just lock down your asset which they already have in their possession. I'm in lending and I would love to read the fine print on this program and would probably participate in it as a lender.

You have a collection of cards that are valued at today's value but if your precious 48 Jackie drops in value I'm keeping your card and you owe me money and I'll come get it.

Same model as mortgage backed securities in 2008, or putting 20k in card purchases on you credit card and not doing the math. My vote is no if you want to sleep at night.

raulus · #3 09-08-2022, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296

Two words: Leverage and betting on the come.
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Makes me wonder how much in these loans is outstanding.

Certainly if there�s a lot out there, then that just further raises the odds that a significant downturn leads to forced liquidations and a downward spiral.

Casey2296 · #4 09-08-2022, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

Makes me wonder how much in these loans is outstanding.

Certainly if there�s a lot out there, then that just further raises the odds that a significant downturn leads to forced liquidations and a downward spiral.

It's a fools errand.

raulus · #5 09-08-2022, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296

It's a fools errand.

�Leverage upon leverage upon leverage. What could possibly go wrong?�

- every banker in the country in 2007

Republicaninmass · #6 09-09-2022, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It won't happen unless someone makes it happen. Who is that someone?

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Originally Posted by Schlesinj

I know the Alt platform announced they would be offering a similar program several months ago. If I remember correctly the rate was nearly 10% and the loan to value was something like 60% of perceived value.

So now people can leverage off their house value or stock portfolio or sports collectibles or some type of unsecured loan. You can buy a fraction of a stock, baseball card or a house too. Very interesting times we live in.

This will have the same effect as "negative AM" loans and 100% financing did on the housing market, which led to great financial crisis. I just don't think it will wreak havoc any further than the hobby itself. Although a little different to the hype when I was collecting in the 80s, it certainly does rhyme.

Casey2296 · #7 09-09-2022, 08:28 AM

[QUOTE=Schlesinj;2261823If I remember correctly the rate was nearly 10% and the loan to value was something like 60% of perceived value.[/QUOTE]

That would be my model, although 60% might be a little high. You can also do a deep dive and offer 8% on Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, etc. and 12% on the shiny stuff, adjusting the ltv accordingly.

mrreality68 · #8 09-09-2022, 08:56 AM

It could make the collecting market interesting and it could lure alot of people to their vault that might not normally go to them.

For example. Collectors like me tend to miss out on some great items that we need to have (really I want but we are addicted). Sadly not liquid enough and miss out alot and I know i can pay things back most times fast but I cannot buy the item do to lack of funds. IF I put it in their vault. WHICH I AM NOT CURRENTLY CONSIDERING. I would have the funds available so if a "must have" came available I could get it and not miss out.

That could be a strong incentive.

raulus · #9 09-09-2022, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68

Sadly not liquid enough and miss out alot and I know i can pay things back most times fast but I cannot buy the item do to lack of funds.

Unless I’m misunderstanding the offer, you would still need to put 40% down up front. Obviously 40% is less than 100%, but for nice pieces that don’t come cheap, it might be similarly challenging to come up with 40% as to come up with 100%.

If you’re not buying from PWCC directly, it’s also unclear to me whether PWCC would front you the cash to buy it from someone else. If you’re buying an item from another auction house, then I suspect you would need to pay 100%, have it shipped to the vault, and then you could borrow the 60% against it.

Bottom line is that I’m not sure that it solves the problem of coming up with the cash to pay for the item in the first place.

Now, if you had a bunch of items in the vault, and you wanted to go out and buy some more, then borrowing against the items in the vault definitely could solve the problem of coming up with cash to make the original purchase for your new item(s).

Snapolit1 · #10 09-09-2022, 10:10 AM

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...03ffa-83282852

Leon · #11 09-09-2022, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...03ffa-83282852

Net54baseball Vault available soon.
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raulus · #12 09-09-2022, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Net54baseball Vault available soon.
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I'm sure you'll get lots of takers here!

At a minimum, we will all trust you more than we trust Jeter.

Snapolit1 · #13 09-09-2022, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Net54baseball Vault available soon.
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Heavily armed facility over the border into Mexico could possibly offer additional tax benefits.

Casey2296 · #14 09-09-2022, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Net54baseball Vault available soon.
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I�m not sure having my cards stored in a flip top on a shelf in your garage qualifies as a vault.

raulus · #15 09-09-2022, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...03ffa-83282852

This is my favorite part:

The company’s grading scale will include “Perfect 10”, “Gem Mint 10” and “Mint Plus 9.5” in addition to the traditional 1-9.

I guess it's just a matter of time before people start giving out 11 grades (i.e. PSA 11).

I don't remember who said it, but I've got to agree with the sentiment that "There's no such thing as a perfect baseball card..." I suppose the modern crowd might disagree, but for anything over 10 years old, I think the concept still applies.

Republicaninmass · #16 09-09-2022, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

This is my favorite part:

The company�s grading scale will include �Perfect 10�, �Gem Mint 10� and �Mint Plus 9.5� in addition to the traditional 1-9.

I guess it's just a matter of time before people start giving out 11 grades (i.e. PSA 11).

I don't remember who said it, but I've got to agree with the sentiment that "There's no such thing as a perfect baseball card..." I suppose the modern crowd might disagree, but for anything over 10 years old, I think the concept still applies.

Sgc already does. 98 is mint 10...but they have 100 "pristine"

mrreality68 · #17 09-09-2022, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by raulus

Unless I�m misunderstanding the offer, you would still need to put 40% down up front. Obviously 40% is less than 100%, but for nice pieces that don�t come cheap, it might be similarly challenging to come up with 40% as to come up with 100%.

If you�re not buying from PWCC directly, it�s also unclear to me whether PWCC would front you the cash to buy it from someone else. If you�re buying an item from another auction house, then I suspect you would need to pay 100%, have it shipped to the vault, and then you could borrow the 60% against it.

Bottom line is that I�m not sure that it solves the problem of coming up with the cash to pay for the item in the first place.

Now, if you had a bunch of items in the vault, and you wanted to go out and buy some more, then borrowing against the items in the vault definitely could solve the problem of coming up with cash to make the original purchase for your new item(s).

Hi

I am sure you do not have to put money down to borrow money. Basically they will loan you up to 60% of the value of your cards that you have in their fault. This way if you default on the loan they have your cards already but can take possession of it and then sell it. And the 40% covers them and their expenses and the loan plus interest you have paid if you did not default

raulus · #18 09-09-2022, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68

Hi

I am sure you do not have to put money down to borrow money. Basically they will loan you up to 60% of the value of your cards that you have in their fault. This way if you default on the loan they have your cards already but can take possession of it and then sell it. And the 40% covers them and their expenses and the loan plus interest you have paid if you did not default

But if you're buying new cards, then you don't have them in the vault yet. So it's unclear to me how PWCC would lend you cash to buy new cards that you haven't yet put into their vault. I suppose if the seller already had them in the vault, and PWCC was just moving them over to your account, then maybe PWCC would lend you the money to buy that card, and you could just put 40% down and borrow the rest.

Kidnapped18 · #19 09-09-2022, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by raulus

But if you're buying new cards, then you don't have them in the vault yet. So it's unclear to me how PWCC would lend you cash to buy new cards that you haven't yet put into their vault. I suppose if the seller already had them in the vault, and PWCC was just moving them over to your account, then maybe PWCC would lend you the money to buy that card, and you could just put 40% down and borrow the rest.

PWCC wants to keep everything IN HOUSE. The cards have to be in the Vault in order to get a loan/cash advance on the cards. If you buy $10,000 worth of cards from REA, PWCC wants you to ship the cards to the Vault and then you can get the loan/cash advance on the $10,000 once the cards are there. PWCC wants you to use the funds to spend in their weekly/monthly auctions. They want to sell the same card/s over and over again to generate revenue. They get the 20% every time a card sells on their platform and they don't have to ship it since its kept in the Vault. Win-win for PWCC.

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