Omnious sign in market?

cgjackson222 · #1 09-12-2022, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Set Break in the title still works. Appears Greg Morris has to hyphenate the two words now which makes the cards eligible for the AG program.

Saw this listing that had "Set Break" in the title but also required the "Authenticity Guarantee" so I thought the loophole wasn't working.

michael3322 · #2 09-12-2022, 02:41 AM

This is a fascinating discussion.

A modest proposal: For anyone with one of those subscriptions that show realized auction values, why don't you pick 50 vintage cards (or photos that have >5 sales) - 40 HoF-ers and 10 commons from key sets and run the numbers to see the % change month to month for the last 36 months? I'm guessing someone has already done this. If so, can someone post this? Otherwise, it is all anecdotal, which includes some really compelling examples, but it is hard to extrapolate for the whole vintage market from just a few examples.

Snapolit1 · #3 09-12-2022, 07:04 AM

I have not, but you are right that all this proves or shows is that you cannot extrapolate from one sale in this market. I still believe my original premise it true — while there are still people pushing prices on some cards to higher levels, I think there are fewer of them competing. Less demand. So depending on timing of similar sales and other events you can see pretty dramatic fluctuations even in pre war.

And as Howard pointed out, those fluctuations are prob more dramatic on the memorabilia side. That has certainly been my experience. Memorabilia prices all over the map.

parkerj33 · #4 09-12-2022, 08:04 AM

Two bell-weather t206s: Demmitt and O'Hara Stl Louis. 2 very nice examples (psa2 and psa 1.5) ended sunday night on ebay for 12.8k and 7.3k. both records i believe. t206 hotter than ever in my experience.

Bobbycee · #5 09-12-2022, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by parkerj33

Two bell-weather t206s: Demmitt and O'Hara Stl Louis. 2 very nice examples (psa2 and psa 1.5) ended sunday night on ebay for 12.8k and 7.3k. both records i believe. t206 hotter than ever in my experience.

You beat me to it Jim. I couldn't believe those prices, yet was shocked to see a very nice Green Cobb 2 go for only $7,600 with no bids at all in the last few minutes. T206 PSA 5's are still going very strong too.

Lorewalker · #6 09-13-2022, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Saw this listing that had "Set Break" in the title but also required the "Authenticity Guarantee" so I thought the loophole wasn't working.

For now, the words set break in the title with no other characters will bypass the AG program for ungraded listings...maybe graded too. The example that you showed has parentheses which acts like the hyphen that Greg Morris now uses.

Why eBay has this loophole is beyond me. If they simply assigned the AG program to default to all listings in the item category for single trading cards cards, it would apply regardless of what the seller puts in the title.

cgjackson222 · #7 09-13-2022, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

For now, the words set break in the title with no other characters will bypass the AG program for ungraded listings...maybe graded too. The example that you showed has parentheses which acts like the hyphen that Greg Morris now uses.

Why eBay has this loophole is beyond me. If they simply assigned the AG program to default to all listings in the item category for single trading cards cards, it would apply regardless of what the seller puts in the title.

I guess you are right, and the loophole lives on.
A simple search of ebay listings with "set break" in it sorted by highest price shows there are still many listings that are bypassing the authenticity guarantee. And yes, apparently "set-break" with a hyphen or (set break) with parenthesis does not succeed in avoiding authenticity guarantee.

Crazy.

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