No, I�m not selling my collection.

Howe�s Hunter · #1 09-14-2022, 09:40 PM

I had asked if it might be possible to get front and back scans of all before the auction, but that�s really an impracticality just because of the sheer volume.

I have no Dummy Taylors in the 393 I have, but Goldin says to contact them with questions �

https://goldin.co/item/1909-11-t206-...-mccormicf772l

atx840 · #2 09-14-2022, 09:49 PM

That's great to hear Ed. What a collection Howe had

Howe�s Hunter · #3 09-14-2022, 10:02 PM

The reference to a modern collector, using the internet and phone calls and contacts to rebuild this collect.

The collection for sale was more than likely purchased at one time in the early 70s. The family that consigned the cards admitted that is when the gentleman bought them. Long before the internet, or calling and making contacts to acquire them.

I had previously made contact with and purchased cards from a gentleman who bought an almost complete collection of the Cleveland cards from a Wirt Gammon (not sure if the name now), a card dealer in Florida in 1972. Again, that would make sense and follows the timeline that they were purchased around that time in one group.

Interestingly, I know Howe had five Cobb cards (two green backs, one each of the others), but none in this collection, unless Goldin is holding on to any others to get them graded and sold individually.

RCMcKenzie · #4 09-14-2022, 10:11 PM

Ed, I just looked at the lot. Yeah, their description is false, unless someone else collected them in silence, which seems absurd. They should describe the lot as it is.

brianp-beme · #5 09-15-2022, 01:36 AM

What a great collection...it is a shame that this is being auctioned off as a group lot. Ideally at least the better condition/ bigger stars should be listed individually, and then the lesser condition in a bulk lot. I also have a feeling that the biggest HOF cards with the McCormick stamp will be seen at a later date, graded. Perhaps one of us with sacks full of money could attempt to corral these and distribute some to their rightful new collector owner.

And it is a completely inaccurate lot listing...someone should start a Go fund me for Goldin so that they can establish an accuracy in lot listing seminar for their employees.

Wirt Gammon was a sports writer from Chattanooga and a huge hobby pioneer who I believe specialized in vintage baseball issues. Searching his name on the web and here and he was writing articles about the hobby back in the 1940's through work in the 1970's with Sports Collectors Digest, and it has been documented that at one point he worked a deal for 3 Wagner and 3 Plank T206. I imagine a good chunk of us collectors today have cards that passed through his hands.

brianp(arker)-beme

G1911 · #6 09-15-2022, 02:12 AM

� In a heartwarming twist of fate, though, many of McCormick's holdings experienced a reunion, the results of which are seen here. A modern-day T206 enthusiast noticed the McCormick brand surfacing repeatedly as he shopped for new cards, and the distinctive marking fueled a secondary quest. This collector researched McCormick's past, and then reached out through the mail, by phone, and on social media. His persistence and focus (with much helpful assistance from his contacts) eventually brought about the construction of the ex-McCormick group seen here, a revived collection of considerable importance. As impressive as these rows of T206 items are, in their own right, they're also a demonstration of the community and camaraderie that can still be observed in the modern, sophisticated, and flourishing card-collecting industry.�

Reading this as loosely and generously as I possibly can, I can see no possible reading of these words that isn�t heavily implying this is your collection for sale. The part at the end about how this collection of McCormick stamps demonstrates the �community and camaderie� in the �modern, sophisticated� hobby cannot possibly apply to this batch of McCormick cards; only your very public quest. Certainly some of us would be aware of this �community� aiding a second hoarder of this random backstamp if it was real. That more than half the description is about the McCormick stamp, a stamp that is only noteworthy because of your aforementioned public quest and that has no additional value to anyone else, only furthers it. This cannot be true, is not an honest mistake, and is clearly directed at you.

I expect Goldin to be sleazy, lie, and cheat for any dollar he/they can; there�s a long history of it. But this is just so unnecessary of a lie, to little or no financial benefit (what bidder will care really care which batch of McCormicks this is?) that it strikes me as even worse than the normal bullshit and shenanigans from this corrupt �industry�. If I was you, I�d be raising one hell of a public fight over this blatant lie.

doug.goodman · #7 09-15-2022, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911

If I was you, I�d be raising one hell of a public fight over this blatant lie.

I think that's kind of the purpose of this thread...

Steve D · #8 09-15-2022, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911

� In a heartwarming twist of fate, though, many of McCormick's holdings experienced a reunion, the results of which are seen here. A modern-day T206 enthusiast noticed the McCormick brand surfacing repeatedly as he shopped for new cards, and the distinctive marking fueled a secondary quest. This collector researched McCormick's past, and then reached out through the mail, by phone, and on social media. His persistence and focus (with much helpful assistance from his contacts) eventually brought about the construction of the ex-McCormick group seen here, a revived collection of considerable importance. As impressive as these rows of T206 items are, in their own right, they're also a demonstration of the community and camaraderie that can still be observed in the modern, sophisticated, and flourishing card-collecting industry.�

Reading this as loosely and generously as I possibly can, I can see no possible reading of these words that isn�t heavily implying this is your collection for sale. The part at the end about how this collection of McCormick stamps demonstrates the �community and camaderie� in the �modern, sophisticated� hobby cannot possibly apply to this batch of McCormick cards; only your very public quest. Certainly some of us would be aware of this �community� aiding a second hoarder of this random backstamp if it was real. That more than half the description is about the McCormick stamp, a stamp that is only noteworthy because of your aforementioned public quest and that has no additional value to anyone else, only furthers it. This cannot be true, is not an honest mistake, and is clearly directed at you.

I expect Goldin to be sleazy, lie, and cheat for any dollar he/they can; there�s a long history of it. But this is just so unnecessary of a lie, to little or no financial benefit (what bidder will care really care which batch of McCormicks this is?) that it strikes me as even worse than the normal bullshit and shenanigans from this corrupt �industry�. If I was you, I�d be raising one hell of a public fight over this blatant lie.

It would, at the least, seem to be a case of false advertising.

Steve

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