1912 T207 PSA Population Report

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by Bridwell

As an avid collector of these, I thought I'd attempt a response to you on this. PSA doesn't separate the T207's by back variety in their pop reports. SGC had done some separation by backs but it was inconsistent. So it is difficult to tell how many are out there. You can look on vintagecardpricing if you have a subscription and review sales of T207's where quite a few of the backs are noted.

There have been a few detailed articles written about T207's, and PSA pop reports can give you an idea of the lowest population players. Loudermilk, Irv Lewis and Donlin are probably the most expensive players to acquire. Out of 200 different players, there are 50 players that come with either Cycle, Broadleaf, Anon 25 or Anon 3 backs and all 50 of them are pretty tough to find in nice condition. Of the other 150 players, those mainly have Recruit backs but about 50 of them can be found with Anon 3 backs but those are pretty scarce and perhaps at least 100 could be found with Napoleon backs but, again, those are hard to find.

Some of the other expensive cards in the set are Buck Weaver, Tris Speaker, Harry Hooper, Walter Johnson and Joe Wood.

Thanks for the information. Yes, I have a VCP subscription so I can see the completed sales for graded cards and the back variations but the pop reports would be a help. I guess just not enough interest to break this set or the T205's by back on PSA's site. I really just started researching this set and was just looking for as much information as possible. Thanks again.

[53toppscollector]

One of my long term projects is to actually create a PSA pop report for T205 and T207 with an accurate accounting of the backs. It won't be exact, but it should help to provide ratios and allow us to make assumptions. T205 is probably going to come first (because I am going to tackle a T205 complete set before T207), but both will come behind the various T206 themed projects I am currently working on.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by rand1com

Thanks for the information. Yes, I have a VCP subscription so I can see the completed sales for graded cards and the back variations but the pop reports would be a help. I guess just not enough interest to break this set or the T205's by back on PSA's site. I really just started researching this set and was just looking for as much information as possible. Thanks again.

Hey Randy,

Ron covered the gist, and alluded to other detailed articles. I can provide a little color (pun intended). If you've gone through the various T207 threads on the forum and the T207 overview (and linked threads) in the Archive Center, you've got a great start. IMO, the population bible on the set is Tim N's multi-year survey, documented in VCBC #'s 37 and 38 with relative population breakdowns by back, amongst other things. His survey wrapped up in 2004 but is still accurate as things go, and while - nearly 20 years on - there are additional aspects to his survey that could be improved upon, it stands on its own as an excellent piece of work. Bob M has a companion article in issue 37, I recall. The combination of those articles is responsible for my obsession with the set.

I've been collecting/studying it since 2006, but my recordkeeping and attention to detail isn't so great, or I'd have more detailed info to share... only specific correction I'd make to Ron's answer is that the Napoleon back confirmation thread has reached 145 confirmed backs, so is nearly complete.

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Mike

[t206fanatic]

For a long time, PSA didnt denote backs on T206 cards either, so I imagine in the future they will do it for both T205 & T207

[frohme]

SGC has routinely labeled backs for quite some time now (more than a decade, I believe). I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any that don't have the back identified (the ones labeled just '1912 T207' are the anonymous backs, FWIW)

They do not, however, include the factory number for Recruit and Anonymous backs.

Here's a pretty old-school one (and because every thread needs a card)



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Mike

[rand1com]

What is considered the toughest card/back version in the set disregarding Red Cross backs?

[RCMcKenzie]

With 145 known backs, are Napoleon backs thought to be complete at 150?

I thought I read that ANON 3 could be found on every subject. Is there a confirmed list for ANON 3? Is it thought to mirror the Napoleon checklist?

Both backs are hard to find. I have a small collection of about 15 Napoleon and 10-12 Anon 3. I guess I should check to see what I have. I will report back.

[Bridwell]

There are 99 different players known with Anon 3 backs. 50 are from the Broadleaf/Cycle players and 49 from the Recruit/Napoleon players. I haven't seen an official list, but I have a sample of all 99 on the Anon 3 cards. There are 150 Recruit players so probably those same 150 can be found with Napoleon backs. Some of the Anon 3 back players and Napoleon back cards are the rarest since only 1 or 2 examples are known of a few of them. If you send me the list of the 10-12 Anon 3's you have, I can let you know if you have any that I don't have.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

With 145 known backs, are Napoleon backs thought to be complete at 150?

Napoleon will be complete - likely at 150. Most recent addition to the survey came in 2020, if I recall. Major interesting thing to date (to me at least) is that each of the 4 Recruit cards with variations (Austin, Fischer, Livingston, and Mullin) only have one of the variations confirmed. I think its probably statistically significant enough with the few cards remaining to be confirmed that they could move to 'unlikely'.

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Is there a confirmed list for ANON 3?

Posted above.

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Is it thought to mirror the Napoleon checklist?

No, its a subset.

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Mike

[frohme]

Originally Posted by rand1com

What is considered the toughest card/back version in the set disregarding Red Cross backs?

I'd be hard-pressed to pick one. I think most would say a Lewis-No-emblem is the hardest card, period, with populations in the low double digits. One of those would outweigh most of the known low population 'common' cards, though the latter will be in the 'less than two hands-full' known.

The Broadleaf-class cards are - for the most part - on par difficulty-wise, and backs have little effect upon that. The big-3 (now 4) are over-hyped and aren't any more difficult than many of their peers. They go for $$$$ for historical reasons, IMO.

The Recruits have been covered above, I guess, and are where the devil hides.

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Mike