1933 Uncle Jacks INSANE PSA Grade/Comparison (Video)

Pat R · #1 09-16-2022, 04:56 PM

What You're calling a major hole in the one on ebay looks like an ink spot to me.

swarmee · #2 09-16-2022, 05:15 PM

I know you're upset, but if the card has water damage that isn't automatically visible, it is still poor.

Jws57 · #3 09-16-2022, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

I know you're upset, but if the card has water damage that isn't automatically visible, it is still poor.

It's clearly at the minimum 2-3 grades higher than that 1. It's not an automatic 1 if it's has slight water damage vs. being halfway mangled.

raulus · #4 09-16-2022, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jws57

It's clearly at the minimum 2-3 grades higher than that 1. It's not an automatic 1 if it's has slight water damage vs. being halfway mangled.

Crack and resubmit!!

Or, time to take it to another grader.

Leon · #5 09-16-2022, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jws57

It's clearly at the minimum 2-3 grades higher than that 1. It's not an automatic 1 if it's has slight water damage vs. being halfway mangled.

No it isn't. It absolutely can, and looks to, have attributes of a 1. It doesn't matter for value...someone will buy that on aesthetics. It is a great looking coupon but I can see a 1 to 1.5, technically speaking. That's just me though...btw, we never saw the backs either. They can be the reason for low grades sometimes, as we all know.
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Jws57 · #6 09-16-2022, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

No it isn't. It absolutely can, and looks to, have attributes of a 1. It doesn't matter for value...someone will buy that on aesthetics. It is a great looking coupon but I can see a 1 to 1.5, technically speaking. That's just me though...
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Wow. I'm not gonna keep pushing this. But I'm glad everyone is so confident this is a fair grade haa..PSA obviously has everyone still wrapped up. Crazy.
AND definitely has attributes of a 7-8. If you owned the card you'd see the sharp corners and overall good-excellent front.

Jws57 · #7 09-16-2022, 05:39 PM

You guys think the same thing regarding this batch this guy posted?? Same PSA defense here?

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseballcar..._bag_of_dicks/

Rhotchkiss · #8 09-16-2022, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jws57

Wow. I'm not gonna keep pushing this. But I'm glad everyone is so confident this is a fair grade haa..PSA obviously has everyone still wrapped up. Crazy.
AND definitely has attributes of a 7-8. If you owned the card you'd see the sharp corners and overall good-excellent front.

I think the issue is that a "1" today encompasses a very large bucket and covers everything from total beaters to items with technical flaws that do not really affect aesthetics. In many regards, old standards were better because a 2-7 meant more and had wider application. If you look at some PSA 5's from the early years, many could not get a 3 today. The problem is not so much PSA today as how PSA's standards and requirements have changed so much over the years.

All that said, Leon is right - aesthetics matter most, especially with an item like yours, which I expect is pretty rare.

Pat R · #9 09-16-2022, 06:13 PM

I don't collect or follow these but I think this would get a 1 from any of the grading company's.

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Jws57 · #10 09-16-2022, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rhotchkiss

i think the issue is that a "1" today encompasses a very large bucket and covers everything from total beaters to items with technical flaws that do not really affect aesthetics. In many regards, old standards were better because a 2-7 meant more and had wider application. If you look at some psa 5's from the early years, many could not get a 3 today. The problem is not so much psa today as how psa's standards and requirements have changed so much over the years.

All that said, leon is right - aesthetics matter most, especially with an item like yours, which i expect is pretty rare.

exactly.

Jws57 · #11 09-16-2022, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat R

What You're calling a major hole in the one on ebay looks like an ink spot to me.

Good. Point is ?

Pat R · #12 09-16-2022, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jws57

Good. Point is ?

Well I guess the point is there is a big difference between a major hole and a factory ink spot.

Jws57 · #13 09-16-2022, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat R

Well I guess the point is there is a big difference between a major hole and a factory ink spot.

You can clearly see the notch at the top shares the same exact background as that of what I deem a hole. Doesn't matter going round and round on a forum - it's just blabber at this point. But I'm glad everyone is so happy to defend PSA. It's a joke. Have fun with em !

bbcemporium · #14 09-16-2022, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jws57

You can clearly see the notch at the top shares the same exact background as that of what I deem a hole. Doesn't matter going round and round on a forum - it's just blabber at this point. But I'm glad everyone is so happy to defend PSA. It's a joke. Have fun with em !

Can you post a picture of the back of the card?

Pat R · #15 09-16-2022, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jws57

You can clearly see the notch at the top shares the same exact background as that of what I deem a hole. Doesn't matter going round and round on a forum - it's just blabber at this point. But I'm glad everyone is so happy to defend PSA. It's a joke. Have fun with em !

It doesn't to me, what you're calling a hole looks like a spot of black ink that's the same color as the ink used to print the coupon.

And I'm not defending PSA but you haven't posted a scan of the back. There can be a big difference in eye appeal on cards with the same grade especially lower grade cards with back damage.

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