Judge’s 62nd hR Different Perspective

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Not sure if you're being serious, but if you are, then shouldn't it be 61 home runs in 154 games since Ruth only hit 60?

No 62 in 154 as Ruth had 60 in 154 and Maris had 61 in 154.

To make it apples to apples then Judge needed 62 in 154 to break it. He's now still the leader but does it deserve the dreaded asterisk?

[Kutcher55]

I’m a Red Sox fan but jeez Judge is awesome and he seems to be a class act. Great story and I tip my cap to the guy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

No 62 in 154 as Ruth had 60 in 154 and Maris had 61 in 154.

To make it apples to apples then Judge needed 62 in 154 to break it. He's now still the leader but does it deserve the dreaded asterisk?

Maris had 58 through game 154.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maris had 58 through game 154.

OOps forgot AL went to 162 games in 61 while NL didn't go to 162 until 62...

[bmattioli]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

OOps forgot AL went to 162 games in 61 while NL didn't go to 162 until 62...

Interesting. did not know this fact. Huge "what if"..

[Bigdaddy]

How many other baseball seasonal records get a * and different record holders for different number of games played? Hits? Strikeouts? Triples?? Wins by a team??? Wins by a pitcher???

Throw out the *s and the game counting - this is a record for a season, however MLB defines a season in that year. Like it or not, Judge now holds the AL record. Alone. No *. No explanation needed.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

How many other baseball seasonal records get a * and different record holders for different number of games played? Hits? Strikeouts? Triples?? Wins by a team??? Wins by a pitcher???

Throw out the *s and the game counting - this is a record for a season, however MLB defines a season in that year. Like it or not, Judge now holds the AL record. Alone. No *. No explanation needed.

What about Sosa and Maggie?

[campyfan39]

I think if the * was applied to Maris it should be applied to Judge.
I am not saying I am in favor of it I just see a double standard there. Neither beat Ruth in 154 games.

Lots to like about the young man, his family, character etc. I don't like the Yankees but have found him hard to dislike.

Finally, I appreciate the posts on career statistics. I think the addition of expanded rounds of playoffs also skews career totals. But it is what it is and I am looking forward to coming home early from work tomorrow and watching baseball all day

[EldoEsq]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

No 62 in 154 as Ruth had 60 in 154 and Maris had 61 in 154.



To make it apples to apples then Judge needed 62 in 154 to break it. He's now still the leader but does it deserve the dreaded asterisk?

Huh???

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Let's get the facts straight.
Through 154 games:
Ruth 60
Judge 60
Maris 58

Through 162 games assuming Judge hits no more:
Judge 62
Maris 61

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Let's get the facts straight.
Through 154 games:
Ruth 60
Judge 60
Maris 58

Through 162 games assuming Judge hits no more:
Judge 62
Maris 61

My bad Pete Judge hit 61 game 155. So you are correct only 60 in 154. And almost everyone knows that Maris hit 61 last day of season Oct 1 1961.
J

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

He's now still the leader but does it deserve the dreaded asterisk?

You could argue that several records have asterisks. The reason is today's players play more games each season, which, in turn, means they have more opportunities to accumulate career statistics.

The AL went from playing 154 games to 162 in 1961, and the NL made the change in 1962. From the 1890s through the early 1960s, each league played 154 games a year.

Accordingly, pre-1961 (AL) and pre-1962 (NL) players had 8 games less each season to accumulate career statistics than more modern day players.

Ty Cobb played 24 years. This equates to 192 lost games (24 years x 8 games a season). Cobb averaged over 174 hits a year. Adding just his seasonal average to his hit total would easily give him more hits than Pete Rose.

So, 8 additional games each season doesn't sound like a lot, but it adds up over a 20+ year career.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ruth and Cobb played in an all-white league, did not have to play at night or deal with all the time zone changes, I think it probably all evens out more or less.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Any pressure on Judge seems to me to have been put on himself. I saw his deciding to test the FA market as a gamble at the time, especially given his spotty health history. But man, did he make the right choice! I wonder, has there ever been a baseball FA who decided to take this kind of gamble in the past and had it work out as well as Judge has? So many stories where it played out in the opposite way...

[Vintagedeputy]

No pressure on Judge? Seriously?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

No pressure on Judge? Seriously?

Seriously. What happens if he doesn't break the record, he's worth a few million less? Oh my God, how unthinkable.

[Mike D.]

For me, the REAL home record is Ned Williamson's 1884 record of 27.

Because, if you're going to be arbitrary about things, it's best to REALLY DO IT UP!

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ruth and Cobb played in an all-white league, did not have to play at night or deal with all the time zone changes, I think it probably all evens out more or less.

I can appreciate those difficulties, BUT . . . Babe Ruth is still the true king. He hit homers over 450+ foot fences, for crying out loud. Everyone here should get a copy of the book, "The Year Babe Ruth hit 104 Home Runs." During the 1921 season, his pattern of batted balls would have accounted for over 100 homers in modern ballparks and under modern rules. That year, Ruth hit a 500+ foot home run in every American League park he visited, and, of course, hit more 450+ foot shots than anyone in history. The author (Bill Jenkinson) performed in-depth statistical analysis to make a fair comparison of the conditions under which the game was played in Ruth's era and baseball as it's played today.