Heritige red ink -how fight fraud

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by G1911

It doesn’t make sense that they would. First, the auto cards are differently printed and say “certified autograph issue”, so someone can’t take a base card and turn it into a fake red ink auto.

The majority of the cards will appear for public sale as few open to keep anymore. The big names are followed very closely every year. If Topps produced twice as many, 2 with each number, say, then we’d quickly catch them at it and Blowout would be going nuts over the two different 11/73’s of the same player. It’s never happened.

Also, it could get Topps into legal trouble. The pack odds come out about right to have the correct number of each one as compared to every other numbered insert. As I understand it, they are required to disclose the odds of what they advertise as being possible. Intentionally lying about it could, as I understand it and I am not a lawyer, get them into hot water for little to no gain.

you could erase a blue ink card and change to a red ink both have the same insert base...sometimes theres a 10x price differnce....why not keep the serial number on the card...one more thing harder to copy..

[G1911]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

you could erase a blue ink card and change to a red ink both have the same insert base...sometimes theres a 10x price differnce....why not keep the serial number on the card...one more thing harder to copy..

I’m not saying hand number is better, just that it doesn’t enable ‘secret’ higher production.

It would be pretty ballsy to erase a real auto and substitute a fake one. Not saying that won’t happen, but that’s as gutsy as alterations can get

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by G1911

I’m not saying hand number is better, just that it doesn’t enable ‘secret’ higher production.

It would be pretty ballsy to erase a real auto and substitute a fake one. Not saying that won’t happen, but that’s as gutsy as alterations can get

right not saying secret higher production, its card doctor issue making a less expensive card to more expensive..wasnt the t206 wagner doctored, people willing to be gusty if pays 10x more etc.. Plus it would be a pretty easy fix to avoid fraud on the red inks..

[G1911]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right not saying secret higher production, its card doctor issue making a less expensive card to more expensive..wasnt the t206 wagner doctored, people willing to be gusty if pays 10x more etc.. Plus it would be a pretty easy fix to avoid fraud on the red inks..

If they’re going to go as far as erasing real autos to forge autos in a different ink, they can also stamp a gold foil /73 number. That’s a lot easier to fake than an auto.

[1952boyntoncollector]

but on the older heritage cards there was a ID number for each card

the foil dont and not sure why heritage stopped

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

but on the older heritage cards there was a ID number for each card

the foil dont and not sure why heritage stopped

Because the website doesn't really allow you to look those cert numbers up, does it? I know Upper Deck's site lost its database of early cert sticker numbers. I never see anyone referencing a part of the Topps website where you can verify the sticker.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Because the website doesn't really allow you to look those cert numbers up, does it? I know Upper Deck's site lost its database of early cert sticker numbers. I never see anyone referencing a part of the Topps website where you can verify the sticker.

so a scribbled 3/69 solves all that.

heck turning a 7/69 to a 1/69 could increase the value