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[packs]

The same 5 teams you’re talking about are the teams trying to win. Again I really don’t understand what you’re suggesting when you say you root for a team who doesn’t want to win but are also upset when teams do want to win.

The Yankees have a good team because they want to win. Yankee fans go to the games because the team wins. They have high expectations season in and season out because the team has built a winning culture. Every fan should want to see an owner in the box and have a culture in the stands like ours.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Another thing to support my contention that closers shouldnt be in the HOF except maybe Mariano R is the fact the Dodgers dont even have a designated closer and Kimbrel not on the playoff roster and was terrible this year yet they still won 115 or so games.

good luck winning a championship without 2 good starting pitchers or winning 110 games.......any top number 2 pitcher could put up HOF closer numbers and now you see a closer isnt necessary to be a leading contender to win a World Series or to win 110 games etc....lots of guys can 'close' but there are only so many andy petites in the world and andy not in the HOF....

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

The same 5 teams you’re talking about are the teams trying to win. Again I really don’t understand what you’re suggesting when you say you root for a team who doesn’t want to win but are also upset when teams do want to win.

The Yankees have a good team because they want to win. Yankee fans go to the games because the team wins. They have high expectations season in and season out because the team has built a winning culture. Every fan should want to see an owner in the box and have a culture in the stands like ours.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What teams don't want to win???

Even the Angels, they "want" to win, they just can't.

And I'm not a fan of one team spending 200 million and another team spending 83 million. It gives the one team a huge advantage, and when they spend that much and flop I love it, what's hard to understand about that?

And Yankees fans brag of this core 4, like that is some significant achievement,, many teams have 4-5-6-7-8-9-10 home grown guys on their teams. Core 4, who cares, even proves my point that much more.

You've got the core 4, and the other "bought" 21.

And your shitty management usually gets it wrong.

I find that humorous.....and enjoy when they lose to lesser payroll, better teams.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

Every fan should want to see an owner in the box and have a culture in the stands like ours.

And as for culture.......please........they have 1 WS in the past 20 years.

Here's who also have "1" WS win in the past 20 years:

D-Backs
Angels
Marlins
White Sox
Cardinals
Phillies
Royals
Cubs
Astros
Nationals
Braves
Dodgers

2 WS:
Cardinals

3 WS:
Giants

4 WS:
Red Sox

ALL THESE TEAMS HAVE EQUALED NEW YORKS 1 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP, while half the league has 1 and some 2, some 3, some 4 times to the Yankees 1, and the Yankees have outspent these teams by the BILLIONS!!!!!!

That's some winning culture.

You're living in the past!!!!!!

[packs]

I don’t know how else to break it down for you. Yankee fans expect to win every year because that’s the culture of being a Yankee fan. I highly doubt Nationals fans go into every season with their eye on a title. Why would they? As soon as they did win their owners blew up the team. Why? No hunger for winning.

Ask an Angels fan if they think Artie Moreno wants to win.

[G1911]

Teams that win are teams that want to win and invest into winning.

The teams are not all playing on an even field. The Pirates cannot compete for free agents like the Yankees can, even if they wanted a World Series win with every fiber of their being. It's a hell of a lot easier for the rich teams to lift themselves up than the poor teams.

[packs]

Between 1998 and 2002 the Yankees doubled their payroll. They took the money they made winning championships and put it into the team. They didn’t disband the team. They did t let their best players sign elsewhere. They didn’t stop trying to get better.

The Marlins didn’t do that. The Cubs didn’t do that. The Nationals didn’t do that. Not many teams do.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Between 1998 and 2002 the Yankees doubled their payroll. They took the money they made winning championships and put it into the team. They didn’t disband the team. They did t let their best players sign elsewhere. They didn’t stop trying to get better.

The Marlins didn’t do that. The Cubs didn’t do that. The Nationals didn’t do that. Not many teams do.

The difference, of course, it is much, much easier for the richest teams to do this than the poorer teams. There is no realistic scenario where Pittsburgh can compete with a motivated New York or Los Angeles franchise for free agents.

[packs]

Not now but there was a time they appeared in 3 NLCS series in a row. They let Bonds walk. They’ve been on a downward spiral ever since. It’s not like the Yankees weren’t terrible and ignored while they spiraled out of control too. Then came Steinbrenner.

Here’s an article on the Pirates and how it pays for them to lose. The most interesting fact in the story is that the team’s payroll in 2010 was only 2 million dollars more than it was in 1992 (!).

https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=5484947

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

Between 1998 and 2002 the Yankees doubled their payroll. They took the money they made winning championships and put it into the team. They didn’t disband the team. They did t let their best players sign elsewhere. They didn’t stop trying to get better.

The Marlins didn’t do that. The Cubs didn’t do that. The Nationals didn’t do that. Not many teams do.

Correct, I agree with you, the Yankees BUY championships. Other franchises like the Cardinals, Giants, etc. earn it on the field.

They might buy a piece or 2, but nowhere close to the Yankees blank checkbook. Thus, so fun watching them fail. Especially 19 of the last 20 years, and about to be 20 of 21. Mets already 21 of 21 failure seasons and counting. Thank you San Diego.

Let's go Astros!

[packs]

Aren’t you supposed to want your best players to stay with your team? Don’t you want your owner to pay them? I don’t know what you’re looking for your own team to do.