Wow psa blowing away competitors

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

The Difference is Phenomenal PSA Is leading Big Time Maybe this is why that pressing video came out a couple weeks ago from SGC? SGC is Still Great in Vintage !!

Any idea what the 23K and 67K figures represent for CSG? I'm assuming it is some breakdown between different kinds/types of items they grade that then makes up their total for the month?

Also remember those figures may not be telling the complete story. The figures say they are for cards "graded" in September 2022, not necessarily cards "submitted" that month. Remember, PSA had been sitting on a huge backlog of cards to grade for quite some time now, which is not really the case anymore with the other TPGs from what I've been hearing about turnaround times. A significant portion of that number of items they had graded in September may actually be for things they had been sitting on for months, or even over a year. If so, it is possible that PSA could have actually suffered a significant drop that month in the number of items being submitted to them, just like what appears to have happened to SGC and CSG. (No idea how to explain or read into the positive Beckett bump though.)

Also, could some of those drops possibly be at least partially explained by the timing of the National, and/or the further downturns in the market and inflation hitting the economy?

What would also possibly be helpful to know is a breakdown of those numbers between sports and non-sports/gaming cards, and then a further breakdown of the sports cards by sport (baseball, basketball, football, etc.). And then to take it one step even further, breakdown those sports cards by sport between vintage and modern. If you could get that kind of real, honest info from ALL these major TPGs every month, it would sure make determining and predicting trends and what truly may be going on a lot easier.

Also, it may help to better explain something that doesn't entirely add up otherwise. If PSA is truly kicking the butts of all the other TPGs seemingly this badly, why would they find it necessary to keep lowering their submission price? One obvious potential reason could be it is in direct response to the lowering of rates by other TPGs, and PSA is reacting to their price reductions to at a minimum, maintain their market share and continue what appears to be their dominance over all the other TPGs combined. Those numbers as they stand don't really give enough detail and info to possibly tell us the whole story though.

[luciobar1980]

PSA sheep

[Lorewalker]

The numbers do not surprise me. SGC had a shot to cut into that market share but SGC could not possibly be worse at promoting themselves. Despite the overly animated/caffeinated Peter, there is ZERO energy coming out of FL. They do a better job than PSA. They grade faster. I like their holders more than any other TPG but fact is that the bulk of the hobby prefers PSA slabs and those numbers demonstrate that.

At this point PSA could do everything wrong and it would not shift those numbers much. Kook Aid anyone.

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

The numbers do not surprise me. SGC had a shot to cut into that market share but SGC could not possibly be worse at promoting themselves. Despite the overly animated/caffeinated Peter, there is ZERO energy coming out of FL. They do a better job than PSA. They grade faster. I like their holders more than any other TPG but fact is that the bulk of the hobby prefers PSA slabs and those numbers demonstrate that.

At this point PSA could do everything wrong and it would not shift those numbers much. Kook Aid anyone.

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I could swear they already do. I have submitted a card twice and can't get them to label it correctly. I should be getting it back soon still mislabeled after sending it back in to get the label corrected.

Maybe the third time will be the charm. Sadly the price between being mislabeled and correctly labeled is worth the 3rd grading fee.

[Casey2296]

Well they're not leading the pack on logging in since they switched to the numb skull move of "same log in" for all 4 companies. Their IT had been working on it for 10 days now and folks can't submit or pay their bill. Sometimes being "too smart" bites you in the ass.

[Snapolit1]

For many collectors, I’m going to sell it or my heirs are going to sell it.

And PSA maximizes value. Undeniable. For reasons well documented here and elsewhere.

End of discussion for many.

When I first started collecting, I loved SGC. For many cards I wish I paid up a little and got the same grade in PSA. Which is now worth like 30-50% more.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by BobC

Any idea what the 23K and 67K figures represent for CSG? I'm assuming it is some breakdown between different kinds/types of items they grade that then makes up their total for the month?

Also remember those figures may not be telling the complete story. The figures say they are for cards "graded" in September 2022, not necessarily cards "submitted" that month. Remember, PSA had been sitting on a huge backlog of cards to grade for quite some time now, which is not really the case anymore with the other TPGs from what I've been hearing about turnaround times. A significant portion of that number of items they had graded in September may actually be for things they had been sitting on for months, or even over a year. If so, it is possible that PSA could have actually suffered a significant drop that month in the number of items being submitted to them, just like what appears to have happened to SGC and CSG. (No idea how to explain or read into the positive Beckett bump though.)

Also, could some of those drops possibly be at least partially explained by the timing of the National, and/or the further downturns in the market and inflation hitting the economy?

What would also possibly be helpful to know is a breakdown of those numbers between sports and non-sports/gaming cards, and then a further breakdown of the sports cards by sport (baseball, basketball, football, etc.). And then to take it one step even further, breakdown those sports cards by sport between vintage and modern. If you could get that kind of real, honest info from ALL these major TPGs every month, it would sure make determining and predicting trends and what truly may be going on a lot easier.

Also, it may help to better explain something that doesn't entirely add up otherwise. If PSA is truly kicking the butts of all the other TPGs seemingly this badly, why would they find it necessary to keep lowering their submission price? One obvious potential reason could be it is in direct response to the lowering of rates by other TPGs, and PSA is reacting to their price reductions to at a minimum, maintain their market share and continue what appears to be their dominance over all the other TPGs combined. Those numbers as they stand don't really give enough detail and info to possibly tell us the whole story though.

No idea ?

[Majestic]

[QUOTE=BobC;2273460]Any idea what the 23K and 67K figures represent for CSG? I'm assuming it is some breakdown between different kinds/types of items they grade that then makes up their total for the month?

CSG is sportscards
CGC is non-sport (Pokemon, Magic, Marvel etc)

[Johnny630]

PSA sells for the most so PSA gets the most submissions.

[jamest206]

Bottom line-my 10 year old nephew thinks PSA is part of the card company. They have already won, even though I love SGC slabs, the common joe being my brother and 10 year old kid know PSA and nothing else. It has to be PSA for Christmas.

[raulus]

Not to be a serious hater, but how many of those items graded in September 2022 by PSA were submitted before they shut it down during the pandemic? Some portion of this could just be getting through the backlog…

[BobC]

Originally Posted by raulus

Not to be a serious hater, but how many of those items graded in September 2022 by PSA were submitted before they shut it down during the pandemic? Some portion of this could just be getting through the backlog…

You're not being a hater, that is exactly what I was saying and asked about back in post #6.

They still do a ton more business than all the other TPGs put together it seems, primarily because as has already been stated in various posts, everything else being equal, PSA graded cards will typically sell for more money than similar cards graded by any of the other TPGs. And since the hobby is turning more and more into a true investment/business vehicle every day that passes by, that additional profit margin/potential is impossible to ignore for a major portion of the hobby community. Our overall views and opinions as primarily big-time pre-war (and vintage) collectors here on Net54 are most certainly not representative of the majority of the people now involved in the hobby. Today you don't have kids collecting pop bottles anymore to take and turn in at the local corner store for the deposit money, and then use that money to buy a pack of baseball cards and stick of gum. We're definitely not in Kansas anymore. LOL

[Vintagedeputy]

I’ve been submitting cards to SGC for 20+ years now and can’t understand why anyone would use another company, but to each his own.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by BobC

You're not being a hater, that is exactly what I was saying and asked about back in post #6.

I guess great minds think alike.

I’m guessing that once we start adjusting for stuff, it might not be quite as dramatic. I wouldn’t be surprised if 50% or more of the PSA volume was getting through their backlog. At one point a few months ago they announced that 85% of their capacity was dedicated to the backlog. I’m sure it has come down by now, but finally getting around to grading stuff that has been waiting on your desk for over a year seems like it’s maybe a bit of false bravado.

As others have noted, some portion of the items are also going to be non sport items, like garbage pail kids and Pokémon cards, and I guess Funko Pops, whatever those are…

My suspicion is that a good chunk of PSA’s action is in these items, and that’s before we even start talking about adjusting for other sports like basketball football soccer etc. Many of which seem to be picking up of late.

All of which is a long way of suggesting that the top line numbers probably obfuscate as much as they reveal in terms of real dominance in our market. Particularly if you define our market as simply the areas that this group primarily cares about.

[BobC]

[QUOTE=Majestic;2273487]

Originally Posted by BobC

Any idea what the 23K and 67K figures represent for CSG? I'm assuming it is some breakdown between different kinds/types of items they grade that then makes up their total for the month?

CSG is sportscards
CGC is non-sport (Pokemon, Magic, Marvel etc)

I was thinking it might be something like that. So which number would be for just sports cards?

[Natswin2019]

[QUOTE=BobC;2273516]

Originally Posted by Majestic

I was thinking it might be something like that. So which number would be for just sports cards?

The first one in the breakdown, the second one is the trading card part. They did 23k sports cards.

[JimmyC]

I’ve never submitted cards to any of these companies….I’ve submitted tickets to PSA, not for the grade, but for protection…..I am more of a raw card and set guy but have a lot of slabbed cards in my collection….mainly PSA, SGC and some BVG…..I think SGC is the most consistent grading company - just an opinion…..

At the end of the day, when I do buy slabbed cards, I buy the card and not the company or grade….

I’ve been known to cut a few slabs over the years as well to get the card back into a raw state….

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