Help me decide.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by G1911

% of replies answering OP's question: 4.5%

Thank you for recognizing that. That is my frustration here. Some want to talk me out of it. I'm not looking to be talked off the ledge. I simply wonder what everyone's top 10 choices would be, and geez, it would be nice if someone threw in a why they chose those 10, like "Mantle was my dad's favorite"...or anything like that. I really thought this would be a fun and easy question to answer.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Thank you for recognizing that. That is my frustration here. Some want to talk me out of it. I'm not looking to be talked off the ledge. I simply wonder what everyone's top 10 choices would be, and geez, it would be nice if someone threw in a why they chose those 10, like "Mantle was my dad's favorite"...or anything like that. I really thought this would be a fun and easy question to answer.

Since I didn't give the why...

I pick the T218's and T220's because I have a gigantic bias towards those two sets, as my pet sets I have spent far too much time tracking down, check listing, and master-set-building with all front/back/print defect combo's.

Willie Mays because.... well, he's Willie Mays.

And Stonewall Jackson because I am collecting a T68 master set, and as a lover of history and cardboard it is one of my favorite issues. Jackson was a significant figure of American history, a fascinating man who seems somehow complex and simple at the same time. I will refrain from saying anymore before this turns into a different kind of shitshow lol.

T205 Doolan because of my bias to T cards, and gold shiny borders are pretty.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by G1911

Since I didn't give the why...

I pick the T218's and T220's because I have a gigantic bias towards those two sets, as my pet sets I have spent far too much time tracking down, check listing, and master-set-building with all front/back/print defect combo's.

Willie Mays because.... well, he's Willie Mays.

And Stonewall Jackson because I am collecting a T68 master set, and as a lover of history and cardboard it is one of my favorite issues. Jackson was a significant figure of American history, a fascinating man who seems somehow complex and simple at the same time. I will refrain from saying anymore before this turns into a different kind of shitshow lol.

T205 Doolan because of my bias to T cards, and gold shiny borders are pretty.

Love it, and thank you. That is exactly what I hoped to read, and I agree with your reasons too. I found the Jackson in an antique store here in Richmond, Va. (home of the Confederacy), sitting on a shelf of antique tobacco packs and wrappers. The crisp corners and bright coloring just called to me. I have a few T68's in terrible condition and wasn't planning on building that set, but I too love history and Stonewall called to me and begged me to take him home even though the price was probably a bit more than what most would feel it is worth.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Love it, and thank you. That is exactly what I hoped to read, and I agree with your reasons too. I found the Jackson in an antique store here in Richmond, Va. (home of the Confederacy), sitting on a shelf of antique tobacco packs and wrappers. The crisp corners and bright coloring just called to me. I have a few T68's in terrible condition and wasn't planning on building that set, but I too love history and Stonewall called to me and begged me to take him home even though the price was probably a bit more than what most would feel it is worth.

It's always cooler to find it in the wild. Never happens with T cards for me, here on the west coast.

Here's my Natural Leaf Jackson, above to a Natural Leaf of his commanding officer and mentor, R.E. Lee. The Lee on right is a unique handcut paper thin piece from an advertising poster that is unknown beyond a handful of these cutouts I have. Natural Leaf is the tough back, it can take many years for a particular one to appear, but the all-silver Pan Handle's are the coolest I think. Thanks for giving me an excuse to go digging into this box again

Generals Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, and Oliver Otis Howard (Not who I would guess as a fourth Union general for inclusion) as well as President Lincoln also have cards.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's always cooler to find it in the wild. Never happens with T cards for me, here on the west coast.

Here's my Natural Leaf Jackson, above to a Natural Leaf of his commanding officer and mentor, R.E. Lee. The Lee on right is a unique handcut paper thin piece from an advertising poster that is unknown beyond a handful of these cutouts I have. Natural Leaf is the tough back, it can take many years for a particular one to appear, but the all-silver Pan Handle's are the coolest I think. Thanks for giving me an excuse to go digging into this box again

Generals Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, and Oliver Otis Howard (Not who I would guess as a fourth Union general for inclusion) as well as President Lincoln also have cards.

Sweet!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Thank you for recognizing that. That is my frustration here. Some want to talk me out of it. I'm not looking to be talked off the ledge. I simply wonder what everyone's top 10 choices would be, and geez, it would be nice if someone threw in a why they chose those 10, like "Mantle was my dad's favorite"...or anything like that. I really thought this would be a fun and easy question to answer.

No, here is the frustrating problem. The very last sentence in your opening post specifically said to, and I quote, "Feel free to ask any questions that you may think of.". So I took you at YOUR word and asked why you'd waste the money having any of them graded.

I, and I'm guessing some others who also responded, thought yours was a serious post and question and that you were actually asking for serious advice in return. And instead of answering my question, which you had specifically invited me to ask, you really never answered and instead accused me of overthinking, then said to assume the cards could be graded for free (which made no sense to me in the context and way you phrased it), and then directly asked ME which 10 of those cards I would get graded for my personal collection, to which I honestly answered......none!

I wasn't trying to talk you out of anything, just give you some good, solid advice for you to do with and act upon as you pleased and saw fit. And since pretty much everyone else in this thread didn't immediately just pick out and name 10 of those cards to get graded, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the majority of those responding were thinking like me and assumed you actually wanted some serious advice on what to do also.

It would have been nice, and a whole lot less frustrating, if you had made it clearer in your opening post that you really weren't looking for actual helpful and honest advice. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Thank you for recognizing that. That is my frustration here. Some want to talk me out of it. I'm not looking to be talked off the ledge. I simply wonder what everyone's top 10 choices would be, and geez, it would be nice if someone threw in a why they chose those 10, like "Mantle was my dad's favorite"...or anything like that. I really thought this would be a fun and easy question to answer.

I think we are all so used to our own process for evaluating getting items graded that the entire concept being proposed here has thrown us incredibly off kilter.

I look at this grouping and don’t see any real reason to prefer any one over any others. Some look interesting and cool. Maybe those ones! Others seem like they are in a little better condition. Maybe those ones!!

I think if you were expecting a lot of insights, wild stories, and fist fights over the top 10, then we have obviously failed to deliver. But maybe next time you ask, we’ll be less disappointing overall.

Might have been easier to just ask us which ones we liked the best, and leave the grading element out of the calculus entirely.

[G1911]

OP: Posts on a card board wanting to just talk about picking cool cards out of a batch to send in and put in his favored holder.

Everyone else: Unable to comprehend that it isn't about money for someone else.


Every couple week or so, someone says everything here in hobbyland is really all about money. And then some people respond and say that isn't true. This thread is the perfect example of how it appears to, usually, be pretty much all about money. The concept of doing it because it's a favored card is so foreign that it just doesn't even register as a possibility, even when it is very explicitly stated.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by raulus

I think we are all so used to our own process for evaluating getting items graded that the entire concept being proposed here has thrown us incredibly off kilter.

I look at this grouping and don’t see any real reason to prefer any one over any others. Some look interesting and cool. Maybe those ones! Others seem like they are in a little better condition. Maybe those ones!!

I think if you were expecting a lot of insights, wild stories, and fist fights over the top 10, then we have obviously failed to deliver. But maybe next time you ask, we’ll be less disappointing overall.

Might have been easier to just ask us which ones we liked the best, and leave the grading element out of the calculus entirely.

Nic,

No one was being disappointing to this guy, we were trying to give him honest, good advice based on his original question of which 10 cards should he get graded. He didn't say anything in that initial post about possibly providing stories and such for why we might pick a certain card, or that grading really wasn't important at all apparently. If he had posted what he said in posts #25 and #31 of this thread in post #1 instead, we probably aren't having this conversation because then we would have known from the beginning what he was really asking about and wanted. The error was not in the way people initially responded to his post and question, it was in the way he phrased and asked his question. And the fact that pretty much everyone responding read and interpreted it the exact same way tells you that the OP did not do a very good job of presenting and clearly asking the actual question he intended to.

I'm not disparaging anyone, as this was apparently a misunderstanding of what the OP wanted, brought on by the way he initially posed his question. What does bother me though is the way some people will react and respond back when you then raise and ask questions about what is going on when trying to figure out what it was that the OP really did want to know. The smart-ass and condescending comments actually reflect back on the people making them. Like instead of making fun and comments about how over 95% of the people in a particular thread aren't properly responding to an OP's question, an intelligent and mature person would probably be thinking, "Hey, if that many people aren't getting it, maybe they aren't the problem after all." At least you would think/hope so, right?

None of us (at least to my knowledge) can read minds and could therefore really tell what the OP actually wanted to know from his original question, and as a result, none of those disparaging remarks from others are deserving or called for. There's no disappointment or anything else you need to be apologizing for on everyone's behalf Nic.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by raulus

Might have been easier to just ask us which ones we liked the best, and leave the grading element out of the calculus entirely.

I agree with this, because I think the OP would have gotten the answers he was looking for, without the confusion that grading interjects into the discussion.

So my top ten list I provided are the ones I like, while I would also not consider grading any of the cards shown. Since grading was part of the OP's question, I think both answers are valid.

Brian

[ClementeFanOh]

Vintagedeputy-

My vote is:

1) Mantle
2) Doolan
3) Stonewall
4) your 5 best boxers
5) Weaver
6) Pinson

Regarding the inability of posters to stay ON POINT, I have mentioned this
previously and even started a tongue-in-cheek thread about it. You'll find
BobC one of the worst: you catch him flat guilty of it then, when you
mention it, pay the price of receiving his "Finnegan's Wake" style replies
in which he makes an epic attempt to show that a) he's smart and b) you
somehow didn't understand your own post. Ignore clowns like that, and
best of luck with your submission! Trent King

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Vintagedeputy-

My vote is:

1) Mantle
2) Doolan
3) Stonewall
4) your 5 best boxers
5) Weaver
6) Pinson

Regarding the inability of posters to stay ON POINT, I have mentioned this
previously and even started a tongue-in-cheek thread about it. You'll find
BobC one of the worst: you catch him flat guilty of it then, when you
mention it, pay the price of receiving his "Finnegan's Wake" style replies
in which he makes an epic attempt to show that a) he's smart and b) you
somehow didn't understand your own post. Ignore clowns like that, and
best of luck with your submission! Trent King

Thank you very much, Trent. I had actually typed out a very lengthy response to all of this and then pushed the wrong button and lost it all. At this point, if someone could tell me how to delete this entire thread, I’d do that.

I never intended for this to get ugly. I simply wondered which 10 cards everyone else would choose to submit first. If they threw in a why, that would be fun to hear as well. In the end, they’ll all get sent in regardless.

[ALBB]

Put the rocket ship in there too !

[EddieP]

The 10 that I would get slabbed are : Stonewall Jackson, the 2 Sport Kings Cards, all the boxers, and the runner. The reason is because they are colorful, artsy and they’ll pop in an SGC or CSG holder.