CSG flip with '52 Topps Mantle Type 1 vs Type 2: crossover graded "8"

[111gecko]

It certainly has been great marketing for CSG as they continue to grow their credibility. My original thought was the card was probably a 7 as the value better aligned with a full grade bump making sense for the owner.

I suppose the question would be this:

As an outsider and all things being equal; which one do you take?
For me; it would be the PSA 7.5. I understand the debate the other direction but I'd keep the PSA example.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 111gecko

It certainly has been great marketing for CSG as they continue to grow their credibility. My original thought was the card was probably a 7 as the value better aligned with a full grade bump making sense for the owner.

I suppose the question would be this:

As an outsider and all things being equal; which one do you take?
For me; it would be the PSA 7.5. I understand the debate the other direction but I'd keep the PSA example.

PSA hands down. At CSG 8.5 I suppose one would have to consider a switch but for a half grade no.

[Snowman]

The problem for PSA is that this card is nicer than the majority of PSA 8s. They graded it as a 7.5 sometime around Feb/Mar of 2020, and the goalposts had already been moved by that time. If you look at all the PSA 8s that were graded in the years prior to this, you'll clearly see that they are inferior cards. I keep hoping that is going to matter someday...

[robertsmithnocure]

Looks like the Mantle is in the upcoming SCP auction.

http://catalog.scpauctions.com/1952_...-LOT52543.aspx

SCP is estimating that it will sell for $1.5 million or more. If so, not a bad ROI seeing that is sold for $705K in Heritage less than 3 months ago.

A question for the lawyers. Does the auction house have any sort of obligation to disclose that the card was recently in a PSA 7.5 holder?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

Looks like the Mantle is in the upcoming SCP auction.

http://catalog.scpauctions.com/1952_...-LOT52543.aspx

SCP is estimating that it will sell for $1.5 million or more. If so, not a bad ROI seeing that is sold for $705K in Heritage less than 3 months ago.

A question for the lawyers. Does the auction house have any sort of obligation to disclose that the card was recently in a PSA 7.5 holder?

Auction houses, disclose things? Ha ha ha, good one.

[Republicaninmass]

Sells for.less than when it.was a 7.5 and psa wont reholder

Just my opinion

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Sells for.less than when it.was a 7.5 and psa wont reholder

Just my opinion

I back this opinion.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Sells for.less than when it.was a 7.5 and psa wont reholder

Just my opinion

+1 Agreed

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Sells for.less than when it.was a 7.5 and psa wont reholder

Just my opinion

So a PSA 7.5 sold for 705K by Heritage in August, 2022.

But PSA 8's sell for ~$1.5M

SCP is estimating (hoping for) $1.5M.

So I think if it gets to $1M, that could be considered added value from the crossover from the PSA 7.5 to the CSG 8.
It does seem crazy to me that a PSA 7.5 would sell for less than half of a PSA 8. Small sample sizes, obviously.