Goldin T2o6 McCormick Collection 950+ cards...

G1911 · #1 10-23-2022, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...ight=mccormick

What if you recall did he say originally?

Goldin�s original description specified that this batch with the McCormick stamp had been pieced together in recent times by a collector. It referred to this collection as a shining example of collectors coming together and aiding another�s quest. Of course, these things are completely and flatly false about this lot and the lies are to make it seem like it�s the McCormick collection we all know. I�m not sure I�ve ever seen an auction house straight up lie so directly about something that doesn�t even really affect the price. Lying about grade and alterations makes sense, but this was just weird. If anything, leading people to believe the McCormick collector was selling lowers the value of the stamped cards by indicating their buyer wasn�t in the game anymore.

Then again, it probably isn�t the first time Goldin has found a new low to reach.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 10-23-2022, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Goldin�s original description specified that this batch with the McCormick stamp had been pieced together in recent times by a collector. It referred to this collection as a shining example of collectors coming together and aiding another�s quest. Of course, these things are completely and flatly false about this lot and the lies are to make it seem like it�s the McCormick collection we all know. I�m not sure I�ve ever seen an auction house straight up lie so directly about something that doesn�t even really affect the price. Lying about grade and alterations makes sense, but this was just weird. If anything, leading people to believe the McCormick collector was selling lowers the value of the stamped cards by indicating their buyer wasn�t in the game anymore.

Then again, it probably isn�t the first time Goldin has found a new low to reach.

That is odd. Maybe whoever wrote it up was familiar with Ed's collection and just assumed it was his, I dunno?

raulus · #3 10-23-2022, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That is odd. Maybe whoever wrote it up was familiar with Ed's collection and just assumed it was his, I dunno?

Seems like the only reasonable explanation, barring a complete and total breakdown of the AH�s grasp of reality.

Howe�s Hunter · #4 10-23-2022, 05:25 PM

They reached out to me several weeks before the auction began to let me know these 950 were part of the even-larger 6,000 card group that was consigned to them. So they knew of my collection and also knew these weren't mine. After I complained, they did change the listing.

This group was purchased by a gentleman, since deceased, in the early 70s. He just held them until his family �rediscovered� them after his death, along with all his other cards. They were purchased all at one time from a dealer in Florida. So about the time Howe sold his collection off (I�ve been able to determine he sold all but 13 cards off sometime between 1968 and 1972.). So he wasn�t building a collection, he just bought a collection that had this many in it.

The winner of the auction has been kind enough to reach out to me. Although there may be a couple cards I�m able to get, not much has changed since Goldin contacted me. 950 cards is WAY above my pay grade, so as I�ve always said, I�ll get those I can, and try and keep track of those I can�t.

Thanks for everyone on the board�s support over the years. I�ll keep plugging away at it, although knowing there are 950 to try and keep track of takes a lot of the fun out of searching every day to see if I could find any.

CobbSpikedMe · #5 10-23-2022, 05:43 PM

I wonder how many a-holes out there are going to buy some from the winner of the auction and offer them to Ed at exorbitant prices to try to take advantage of him.

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raulus · #6 10-23-2022, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I wonder how many a-holes out there are going to buy some from the winner of the auction and offer them to Ed at exorbitant prices to try to take advantage of him.

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Seems like a strategy with little to no likelihood of success, based on what has been discussed around here to date.

swarmee · #7 10-23-2022, 06:20 PM

The way I read the listing was that the stamp was in demand and well-known because of Ed's pursuit. It was *implied* that the cards in this lot were from Ed, but not directly stated. Since there was no provenance given for the huge lot, that is what a casual reader would have assumed.

It's semantics, but I think it matters instead of making false claims against Goldin.

CobbSpikedMe · #8 10-23-2022, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus

Seems like a strategy with little to no likelihood of success, based on what has been discussed around here to date.

I agree with you that there is likely no success, but wonder if it will happen. I know it has happened in the past and Ed has passed on the offers when they have come this way.

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Peter_Spaeth · #9 10-23-2022, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Howe’s Hunter

They reached out to me several weeks before the auction began to let me know these 950 were part of the even-larger 6,000 card group that was consigned to them. So they knew of my collection and also knew these weren't mine. After I complained, they did change the listing.

This group was purchased by a gentleman, since deceased, in the early 70s. He just held them until his family “rediscovered” them after his death, along with all his other cards. They were purchased all at one time from a dealer in Florida. So about the time Howe sold his collection off (I’ve been able to determine he sold all but 13 cards off sometime between 1968 and 1972.). So he wasn’t building a collection, he just bought a collection that had this many in it.

The winner of the auction has been kind enough to reach out to me. Although there may be a couple cards I’m able to get, not much has changed since Goldin contacted me. 950 cards is WAY above my pay grade, so as I’ve always said, I’ll get those I can, and try and keep track of those I can’t.

Thanks for everyone on the board’s support over the years. I’ll keep plugging away at it, although knowing there are 950 to try and keep track of takes a lot of the fun out of searching every day to see if I could find any.

I'm curious, when you heard there were 950 more out there, what was your initial reaction, your gut response before you had time to reflect about it?

Howe�s Hunter · #10 10-23-2022, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I'm curious, when you heard there were 950 more out there, what was your initial reaction, your gut response before you had time to reflect about it?

Like a kick in the gut, or lower.

I’d known for years, after talking to Howe’s daughter’s friend Ron that at one time, in the 60s, Howe had multiple boxes of cards, but always though those that still survived might come up in chunks of 10 at a time, maybe 20. No way to expect 950 at once.

Steve Lucas’ initial email was a request to contact him, they had a “couple” of Howe’s cards come in as part of a larger lot. The next message was that it was close to 1,000 cards with the stamp.

Pretty much total deflation. Still haven’t figured out what I’ll do long-term. I’ve always said I know I wouldn’t get them all, but that was when there were 36 out there that I knew of, but would probably never get. 950 doesn’t feel the same.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 10-23-2022, 06:35 PM

I can only imagine what it must have been like for a fundamental assumption of your collecting to change in an instant. Wow. Good luck with whatever you decide to do, and hopefully you'll still find meaning in it and stick with it.

Casey2296 · #12 10-23-2022, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Howe�s Hunter

Like a kick in the gut, or lower.

I�d known for years, after talking to Howe�s daughter�s friend Ron that at one time, in the 60s, Howe had multiple boxes of cards, but always though those that still survived might come up in chunks of 10 at a time, maybe 20. No way to expect 950 at once.

Steve Lucas� initial email was a request to contact him, they had a @coupme� of Howe�s cards come in as part of a larger lot. The next message was that it was close to 1,000 cards with the stamp.

Pretty much total deflation. Still haven�t fuigued out what I�ll do long-term. I�ve always said I know I wouldn�t get them all, but that was when there were 36 out there that I knew of, but would probably never get. 950 doesn�t feel the same.

I guess the bright side is that after the sell off, you'll still have the largest collection of Howes back stamp cards.

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