Show...me...your print variations!

G1911 · #1 10-25-2022, 04:00 PM

The layers of colors are misaligned, hence the cap, the gray strip at top, and the misalignment in his jersey text. Gray/Slate fronts are totally missing a color to make them appear that way, and this card is an exemplar that shows why. Without the red layer, that's the background color

ALR-bishop · #2 10-26-2022, 09:03 AM

Neat defect Joe

Northviewcats · #3 10-26-2022, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911

The layers of colors are misaligned, hence the cap, the gray strip at top, and the misalignment in his jersey text. Gray/Slate fronts are totally missing a color to make them appear that way, and this card is an exemplar that shows why. Without the red layer, that's the background color

Thanks Greg and Al.

I understand the misalignment defect that caused the gray strip and the ghost images with the Boston logo and the jersey text, but I am still not getting the error in color. All of the Pesky cards that I see on eBay or the other red background 1949 Bowmans that I have in my possession are a rich deep red color. (I am attaching a picture of the Pesky next to a Rosen card to show the difference in color.) My question is the difference in color have to do with natural sunlight fading, or is there another missing color in the Pesky card? In other words, are there two separate printing errors, poor alignment and missing color?

I appreciate the board's expertise and patience.

Best regards,

Joe

steve B · #4 10-27-2022, 07:45 AM

Much older cards were sometimes done with multiple layers of similar colors, but that was pretty much out by the late 40's. Nearly everything you'll see postwar is just CMYK. None of those are missing, so it's down to if it's fading or not.

Yellow seems about right.
Blue Seems a bit light
Black/gray Shouldn't fade and looks about right
Red is obviously light.

Red can fade readily for a lot of the colorants, so fading wouldn't be a surprise.

But here, we have an extra complication. (Don't we always?

)

Note how blue and red are in registration with each other. And how yellow and black are in registration with each other.
That's a sign that a 2 color press was used. Pretty cool.
Red and blue both being from the same pass and both being light makes me lean towards the sheet it was from being used for press setup. Adjusting the registration and ink levels. Probably an early pass, when the plate wasn't fully inked, and registration hadn't been fully adjusted.

Of course, it's possible that red and blue fade more readily than yellow and black on 49 bowmans.

Troy Kirk · #5 10-30-2022, 11:58 AM

Saw the 1967 Nen variation thread and checked my cards. I don't have the missing position variation, but I did have 7 copies of the card and noticed what looks like three different printings, with color differences. In the top row, the Senators team name is darker, almost blue, the sky is darker blue and the image of Nen is a bit muddy. In the second row, Senators is more purple, sky is lighter blue, image is clearer. In the third row, Senators is almost pink, sky is almost white, and image is very clear though a lot lighter.

Also notices on Checklist #361 card, the backs can be found in tan or white.

ALR-bishop · #6 10-30-2022, 02:33 PM

I think you can find differences in all the 67 checklists, but on 361 the only 2 I have involve those same back color differences. Anyone have other differences ?

mikemb · #7 10-30-2022, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I think you can find differences in all the 67 checklists, but on 361 the only 2 I have involve those same back color differences. Anyone have other differences ?

The only variation I have seen listed is the boxes are either even with the names and numbers or they are lower. Photo from Mike Cody's website.

Mike

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JollyElm · #8 10-30-2022, 07:04 PM

Check out this thread I started many moons ago about 1967 checklist variations...

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=207639

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