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11-08-2022, 06:06 AM
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My understanding is that there are 16 voters, who get a maximum of 3 votes each. This leads to a total of 48 votes maximum.
Players must get 75% to get in (i.e. 12 or more of the 16 voters). So at most 4 players can get in (48 divided by 12). Somebody double check my math here, I have not had my morning coffee yet. 
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11-08-2022, 07:25 AM
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Schilling should get in.
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11-08-2022, 08:17 AM
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All worthy in their own way that is why they are on list
But with doping, politics, and injuries effecting longevity (Mattingly) they all have questions. McGriff and Shilling should be the Easy in but it will be interesting to see what happens with them and the rest. Look forward to Dec announcement Just wish we knew who the voters were and wish all ballots were made public
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11-08-2022, 09:50 AM
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I don't see any of them as HOFers. Want another Harold Baines fiasco? The HOF is suffering from credibility as it is. Especially Schilling. He shouldn't get in on the strength of being an all-time moron. Right or wrong, that's how I feel.
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11-08-2022, 10:02 AM
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Don Mattingly was the greatest hitter I ever saw. You could throw loose dimes across the outfield and Donnie Baseball could hit them with a batted ball. All this nonsense about hitting against the shift / ban the shift would have meant nothing to Mattingly. He could put a ball on the field wherever he wanted to.
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11-08-2022, 10:11 AM
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3 are obviously statistically HOFers, but have the David Ortiz problem that was just ignored. 2 are punished for personality and/or politics. 2 are questionable but are the opposite of Baines; Mattingly and Murphy are peak players not accumulators. McGriff comes the closest, but he hardly seems to be a Baines type choice at all. Schilling, if elected, will be elected for his 79.5 WAR and statistical performance, not for being an “all-time moron”.
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11-08-2022, 10:17 AM
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How does Ortiz just get in so effortlessly? It pisses me off. I never liked the guy, not that my opinion matters in the equation of his being inducted when all the other users aren't. None of them or all of them. You can't have it both ways. If Ortiz could be revoked, I would be a happy guy. Last edited by BillyCoxDodgers3B; 11-08-2022 at 10:18 AM.
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12-17-2022, 07:12 AM
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What did he do that you labeled him a "moron" ?
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11-09-2022, 09:35 AM
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11-08-2022, 12:50 PM
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11-08-2022, 12:55 PM
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Yes for Bonds (best player since Ruth)
Yes for Clemens (best pitcher since WaJo) Yes for Schilling (top 25 pitcher) I'm basically neutral on everybody else in that group.
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11-08-2022, 01:10 PM
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I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be in, but where is Sammy Sosa? If other (suspected) PED users are on the ballot, where is Sammy? Or McGwire?
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11-08-2022, 02:14 PM
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11-10-2022, 06:11 PM
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11-12-2022, 12:49 PM
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11-12-2022, 01:34 PM
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11-12-2022, 01:49 PM
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I admit that I usually love the WAR stat and by WAR Shilling is a no question Hofer. I just don’t really understand how his WAR is so high vs some players who seem to have pretty comparable stats. Consider below
Curt Shilling. 216-146 3.46ERA. 15-10 per 162 WAR 79 Lew Burdette. 203-144 3.66 ERA 14-10 per 162. WAR 28 Is it all era adjustment, strike outs, does Shilling get a big bump because of his defensive stats? Shillings stats are clearly a tick better, but over 50 wins better
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11-12-2022, 02:11 PM
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Whenever the topic of the HOF comes up --
I think of an article that Dick Young of the New York Daily News wrote about the consideration of Lefty Gomez in 1974. "Election to the Hall of Fame is largely a popularity contest."
There are some players that simply cannot be left off -- or maybe they can and have been because it's a voting process, and each voter has his conscience. The art of lobbying for a particular player's election is a delicate one. Around 1970 a very knowledgeable fan (Dr. V. M.) compiled statistics for Sam Thompson and Roger Connors that were compelling and badgered the Veterans Committee unmercifully for several years with documentation. At one point he threatened them with court action for a full disclosure of the vote. When Sam was elected in 1974, I asked Paul Kerr what had changed their minds? He looked me straight in the eye, and with a voice dripping icicles said "Sam Thompson was elected to the Hall of Fame in spite of V. M. I know also from other sources (Charlie Gehringer) that the members of the Veterans Committee did not like being told their business and reacted accordingly.
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