auto racing cards

D. Bergin · #1 11-10-2022, 01:13 PM

Seen these Max Verstappen German Top Trumps dated as 2016 by SGC. I appreciate that SGC is grading these non-English issues, but wish they put a little more research into the dating.

The pose and the text (in German) is the same as the 2016 English Top Trumps that is accepted as his Rookie card, but the overall design, and the stats on the front are different.

Stats match what they would be after the 2016 season ended at the end of November 2016...so unless they pumped this set out immediately in December of 2016, this is a 2017 set...and not a Verstappen Rookie year card.

I still like the card, it's likely scarcer then the English language one, and the last one I saw went for what seemed like a bargain to me on Ebay, even as a 2nd year card...though one a few weeks earlier went for considerably more...so maybe collectors are wise to this issue already.

D. Bergin · #2 11-10-2022, 02:23 PM

Also seems like Verstappen's first Top Trumps card is outselling Hamilton's...by like...a lot.

Maybe it's a supply issue, but there's definitely a recency bias going on...I guess, just like baseball/basketball/football prospects and younger stars.

He looks absolutely dominant, but he still has only half as many titles as Vettel.

Bored5000 · #3 11-10-2022, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Also seems like Verstappen's first Top Trumps card is outselling Hamilton's...by like...a lot.

Maybe it's a supply issue, but there's definitely a recency bias going on...I guess, just like baseball/basketball/football prospects and younger stars.

He looks absolutely dominant, but he still has only half as many titles as Vettel.

I know it is a fool's errand to try to predict how a guy's career will ultimately play out. But with the schedule being 23-24 races for the foreseeable future, there is realistic chance that Verstappen's career numbers will be right there with Hamilton and Schumacher by the time he is done.

The other thing is, Hamilton does have some other early options for cards that have talked about before in this thread.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 11-11-2022, 11:19 AM

Finally found a Jackie Stewart. Not a great card due to the pose, but if you have to have the rookie.

D. Bergin · #5 12-12-2022, 02:08 PM

Some unopened packs I've restrained myself from opening up (so far).

#1. 1980 Panini "F1 -Grand Prix" packs. Not as glamourous as the mid-80's sets (ie. no Senna), but still very neat.

#2. 1984 Galp Energy "Formula 1 - Grand Prix" packs. Portuguese issue similar to Panini's

Notable in that this contains a very early Ayrton Senna card on the Toleman team. I believe the earliest card of him in a released set that just features him and not his car or part of a perforated panel with another driver.

Example (not mine):

aljurgela · #6 12-12-2022, 04:01 PM

Issued in Argentina

Bored5000 · #7 12-12-2022, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aljurgela

Issued in Argentina

Very cool 1948 Fangio. There are not a whole lot of great options when it comes to early Fangio, Ascari and Farina cards. We discussed the 1958 SADA earlier in the thread. The SADA has a neat image of Fangio. But yours is much earlier, of course.

Bored5000 · #8 12-12-2022, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Some unopened packs I've restrained myself from opening up (so far).

#1. 1980 Panini "F1 -Grand Prix" packs. Not as glamourous as the mid-80's sets (ie. no Senna), but still very neat.

#2. 1984 Galp Energy "Formula 1 - Grand Prix" packs. Portuguese issue similar to Panini's

Notable in that this contains a very early Ayrton Senna card on the Toleman team. I believe the earliest card of him in a released set that just features him and not his car or part of a perforated panel with another driver.

Example (not mine):

I haven't looked lately, but there was a Galp Senna with a big BIN on eBay for a long time. WIth how much early Senna stickers have taken off over the past year or two, I wonder what that would go for in an auction.

D. Bergin · #9 12-12-2022, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored5000

I haven't looked lately, but there was a Galp Senna with a big BIN on eBay for a long time. WIth how much early Senna stickers have taken off over the past year or two, I wonder what that would go for in an auction.

The one I pictured is the one on EBay.

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