How does CSG compare?

[hcv123]

I will not touch them with a 10-foot pole for now. The quality of grading is inconsistent and inconsistent with PSA and SGC and they are hard to sell. There is a CSG 8 52 Mantle in an upcoming auction - really curious to see how it does (and hoping it isn't one of the "powers that be" behind CSG bidding it up!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by hcv123

I will not touch them with a 10-foot pole for now. The quality of grading is inconsistent and inconsistent with PSA and SGC and they are hard to sell. There is a CSG 8 52 Mantle in an upcoming auction - really curious to see how it does (and hoping it isn't one of the "powers that be" behind CSG bidding it up!

I somehow doubt that auction is going to be entirely an honest result.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I somehow doubt that auction is going to be entirely an honest result.

Any chance you have any real proof or is that purely hearsay?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Any chance you have any real proof or is that purely hearsay?

I think we're all just assuming there must be some hijinks at play here, simply because no one in their right mind would proceed on this basis.

I suppose we'll see how the final results play out. If it sells for $3M, then we'll all suspect that the auction was manipulated. If it sells for $100k, then probably less so.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by raulus

I think we're all just assuming there must be some hijinks at play here, simply because no one in their right mind would proceed on this basis.

I suppose we'll see how the final results play out. If it sells for $3M, then we'll all suspect that the auction was manipulated. If it sells for $100k, then probably less so.

I was just being a smart butt as Greg always asks for proof. You don't have to try to convince me how shady this hobby is. I just do my best not to care or post about it anymore.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I was just being a smart butt as Greg always asks for proof. You don't have to try to convince me how shady this hobby is. I just do my best not to care or post about it anymore.

One of many annoying habits

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Any chance you have any real proof or is that purely hearsay?

It is neither; as it is a stated speculation about a future event. If I could prove the future, well, I’d be on my private island with a bunch of models instead of with y’all.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by G1911

It is neither; as it is a stated speculation about a future event. If I could prove the future, well, I’d be on my private island with a bunch of models instead of with y’all.

I'm offended that you wouldn't even at least invite me.

[raulus]

In some ways, they're just so new that it's hard to tell with any degree of confidence.

One thing you might try if you really want to dig in here. I know that PWCC tends to auction off a lot of CSG items. So you could take a look at their weekly auctions for the last few weeks. Pick out a few pieces where you can get a good sense as to their pricing, then compare to similarly graded items from PSA and SGC. It will probably be difficult to try to nail it down to a precise amount, simply because the results will probably vary widely. That and some will suggest that being on PWCC's auction site has the possibility to also skew the results.

You will probably also want to try to stick to a similar time period as what you're considering picking up. You might find that a lot of the CSG pieces are modern items, maybe with some post-war vintage at lower grades sprinkled in. So there might not be a whole lot of data to evaluate, especially if you're looking at pre-war pieces.

But with any luck, with a bit of homework, you'll at least get a sense as to whether the discount is commonly 25%, 50%, or 75%, give or take.