Hall of Fame Ballot Announced

Misunderestimated · #1 12-01-2022, 08:26 PM

The 16 voters are players: Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, Jack Morris, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas, and Alan Trammell,; Executives Paul Beeston, Theo Epstein, Arte Moreno, Kim Ng, Dave St. Peter, and Ken Williams; and historian/experts: Steve Hirdt, LaVelle Neal and Susan Slusser.

Some of those on this list (Sandberg, Thomas, Morris, and Williams etc) are on the record that they would never support PED candidates. That makes Bonds, Clemens and Palmeiro long shots.

Schilling has been a pretty terrible person since he finished his career. He alienated/insulted the writers when they were voting. He's probably got a good shot with this group unless they are worried about what he will say at his induction and that it might degrade the event and the HOF in general.

I also think McGriff has good odds with this electorate.

My choices would be Bonds, Clemens, and Palmeiro, in that order.
They are all solid candidates and none of them would meaningfully diminish the caliber of HOF.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 12-04-2022, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Misunderestimated

The 16 voters are players: Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, Jack Morris, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas, and Alan Trammell,; Executives Paul Beeston, Theo Epstein, Arte Moreno, Kim Ng, Dave St. Peter, and Ken Williams; and historian/experts: Steve Hirdt, LaVelle Neal and Susan Slusser.

Some of those on this list (Sandberg, Thomas, Morris, and Williams etc) are on the record that they would never support PED candidates. That makes Bonds, Clemens and Palmeiro long shots.

Schilling has been a pretty terrible person since he finished his career. He alienated/insulted the writers when they were voting. He's probably got a good shot with this group unless they are worried about what he will say at his induction and that it might degrade the event and the HOF in general.

I also think McGriff has good odds with this electorate.

My choices would be Bonds, Clemens, and Palmeiro, in that order.
They are all solid candidates and none of them would meaningfully diminish the caliber of HOF.

Maybe Jack Morris should vote himself out.

jingram058 · #3 12-04-2022, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe Jack Morris should vote himself out.

I would support that, and a few others too, in order for real HOF caliber players to get in.

Really, though, it's a wonderful upstate New York setting, and I'm sure a wonderful place to visit and all, but does anyone really give a good hoot about the HOF anymore, considering the recent admissions and continued oversights?

The Hall of jacked-up, hyped-up, influenced, irrelevant, statistical Mediocrity.

G1911 · #4 12-04-2022, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

I would support that, and a few others too, in order for real HOF caliber players to get in.

Really, though, it's a wonderful upstate New York setting, and I'm sure a wonderful place to visit and all, but does anyone really give a good hoot about the HOF anymore, considering the recent admissions and continued oversights?

The Hall of jacked-up, hyped-up, influenced, irrelevant, statistical Mediocrity.

It�s just a fun exercise in debate and statistics. The museum is a ton of fun, if you�ve never been, regardless of one�s opinion on who should or should not be enshrined. The town around it has shaped itself to the Hall and lots of it is (or at least was) baseball themed and a fun time. It�s set in a myth with a dubious list, but it�s still the coolest baseball place there is to visit. I would really like to see the Negro League Hall in Kansas City too but I�ve never had much else to do there to make the flight.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 12-04-2022, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

It�s just a fun exercise in debate and statistics. The museum is a ton of fun, if you�ve never been, regardless of one�s opinion on who should or should not be enshrined. The town around it has shaped itself to the Hall and lots of it is (or at least was) baseball themed and a fun time. It�s set in a myth with a dubious list, but it�s still the coolest baseball place there is to visit. I would really like to see the Negro League Hall in Kansas City too but I�ve never had much else to do there to make the flight.

Well, they've got a big thee a ter that they call the bur lee q. You should go.

Mike D. · #6 12-04-2022, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

Really, though, it's a wonderful upstate New York setting, and I'm sure a wonderful place to visit and all, but does anyone really give a good hoot about the HOF anymore, considering the recent admissions and continued oversights?

The Hall of jacked-up, hyped-up, influenced, irrelevant, statistical Mediocrity.

People talk about this like it's a new problem, but it's been like that since before I was born, and I'm not young.

Mike D. · #7 12-04-2022, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe Jack Morris should vote himself out.

So, think we'll find out if Morris voted for Schilling or not, who's a far more worthy Hall of Famer than Morris himself? It'd be a real lack of self awareness if he doesn't.

The Morris select felt at the time like a big "FU" to the analytics crowd. After all, he had the "most wins of the 80's" and could "pitch the the score". Glad the consensus now is that he's a bad selection.

Mike D. · #8 12-04-2022, 03:49 PM

And I will say, even if you avoided the hall of plagues on principle, the Hall if still a pretty amazing place to visit. Highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't been!

theshowandme · #9 12-04-2022, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

And I will say, even if you avoided the hall of plagues on principle, the Hall if still a pretty amazing place to visit. Highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't been!

I went two months ago. I stood at this wall for 10 minutes just staring

mattsey9 · #10 12-04-2022, 08:39 PM

Regardless of one's perspective on Bonds, Clemens, Palmiero, Sosa, etc., this vote was the death knell for their HOF chances.

butchie_t · #11 12-04-2022, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsey9

Regardless of one's perspective on Bonds, Clemens, Palmiero, Sosa, etc., this vote was the death knell for their HOF chances.

I hope so.

jayshum · #12 12-04-2022, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mattsey9

Regardless of one's perspective on Bonds, Clemens, Palmiero, Sosa, etc., this vote was the death knell for their HOF chances.

Along with Manny and ARod. No way the writers are putting them in and looks like the will do even worse once they are on any of the committee ballots.

Peter_Spaeth · #13 12-04-2022, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

So, think we'll find out if Morris voted for Schilling or not, who's a far more worthy Hall of Famer than Morris himself? It'd be a real lack of self awareness if he doesn't.

The Morris select felt at the time like a big "FU" to the analytics crowd. After all, he had the "most wins of the 80's" and could "pitch the the score". Glad the consensus now is that he's a bad selection.

Oh, and don't forget he was a "big game" pitcher.

sreader3 · #14 12-04-2022, 04:06 PM

Should get in. Off the field carries very low weight (or should).

packs · #15 12-04-2022, 07:20 PM

McGriff is in.

Casey2296 · #16 12-04-2022, 07:26 PM

Welcome to the Hall Crime Dog!

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