Any player cards you dont collect because of morals

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Koufax32fan

Well, that was a weird few minutes; I learned way too much about some very bad people - I have done a lot of reading about baseball history, and can't believe I didn't ever hear about or remember Marty Bergen. I do have his brother Bill's T206 card.

Ok, what's the deal with Led Zeppelin?

And - disclosure here, I am a Chicagoan of a certain age so MJ was, is and always will be the greatest basketball player in history - I am surprised by LeBron being mentioned and not Kobe.

Back in the early 2000's, I was a lawyer for a company that had a business lawsuit in Denver, Colorado. We had the same lawyer who represented Kobe. I respect my (former) outside counsel for taking his case and she did a great job for us (and for him), but I lost all respect for Kobe after that. I don't collect basketball cards, but I would not spend a shekel (or even a nickel) on a Kobe card.

I had a girlfriend who knew the prosecutor on the other side of the Kobe case and I would agree with you knowing the details of that case. Disgusting.

Amazing how so many people and organizations that purport to support women gave him a pass on that rape. Definitely a case of selective narrative cuz Kobe.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I had a girlfriend who knew the prosecutor on the other side of the Kobe case and I would agree with you knowing the details of that case. Disgusting.

Amazing how so many people and organizations that purport to support women gave him a pass on that rape. Definitely a case of selective narrative cuz Kobe.

Yeah, I don't see how anybody could read the full, complete details of that case and come away thinking Kobe was innocent.

[Prof]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I had a girlfriend who knew the prosecutor on the other side of the Kobe case and I would agree with you knowing the details of that case. Disgusting.

Amazing how so many people and organizations that purport to support women gave him a pass on that rape. Definitely a case of selective narrative cuz Kobe.

I've only read the somewhat detailed descriptions of that case that are available publicly, and it was pretty messed up. He absolutely got a pass, and people have really glossed over it at this point.

I never liked him before that case. That cemented my dislike for him. And I never liked his contrived mamba stuff afterward either.

I wouldn't collect his stuff for myself. But, if I ever found something very cheap that I could flip, I'd buy it and flip it.



I really don't see what anyone would have against LeBron though. I'm not even a fan of his, but he's been squeaky clean his entire life. No scandals at all.

The worst thing he did was The Decision special, and maybe he was a little odd about Hong Kong/China stuff a few years ago.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Prof

I've only read the somewhat detailed descriptions of that case that are available publicly, and it was pretty messed up. He absolutely got a pass, and people have really glossed over it at this point.

I never liked him before that case. That cemented my dislike for him. And I never liked his contrived mamba stuff afterward either.

I wouldn't collect his stuff for myself. But, if I ever found something very cheap that I could flip, I'd buy it and flip it.



I really don't see what anyone would have against LeBron though. I'm not even a fan of his, but he's been squeaky clean his entire life. No scandals at all.

The worst thing he did was The Decision special, and maybe he was a little odd about Hong Kong/China stuff a few years ago.

Kobes wife sort of helped in that..when the wife stays and the person is a huge star....that can help sway public opinion....

as to Leberon, its more political stuff that most under 30 year olds dont care about ..like when he posted that officer that shot a girl who was about to stab another girl and he basically put a target on the officers back for saving another girl from being stabbed if not killed....plus a ton of pro china stuff that seem hypocritical when he talks about problems in the US...question of degree etc

[G1911]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Kobes wife sort of helped in that..when the wife stays and the person is a huge star....that can help sway public opinion....

as to Leberon, its more political stuff that most under 30 year olds dont care about ..like when he posted that officer that shot a girl who was about to stab another girl and he basically put a target on the officers back for saving another girl from being stabbed if not killed....plus a ton of pro china stuff that seem hypocritical when he talks about problems in the US...question of degree etc

I’m pretty sure Kobe was forgiven because the accuser refused to testify in the criminal case and so the case was dropped. As I recall it, much of the actual evidence was not indicative of her accusation. Back then, there was generally still a presumption of innocence or having to prove the charge, unlike today where, for example, Bauer is guilty even though he was found not guilty and all of the evidence indicated the charge was an outright lie.

I’m pretty sure you nailed it for Lebron. Attacking the US government for very questionable things (such as the case where an officer, on video, shot a woman actively trying to murder an innocent block woman and saving her life with only a decor or two to spare and he tried to stir up outrage) while simultaneously appearing to, at best and most charitably, have no problem with the CCP marked him as a left wing wackadoodle to many on the right. Curt Schilling, but in reverse. I will never understand people who insist athletes must agree with their politics, on either side. I can understand, though don’t agree with, barring athletes who did heinous things that are objectively terrible and were in the context in which they lived like rape (with evidence) or murder. Drawing the line at political dissent from their views is just virtue signaling self righteousness. I have left wingers and right wingers in my cards and don’t care.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by G1911

I’m pretty sure Kobe was forgiven because the accuser refused to testify in the criminal case and so the case was dropped. As I recall it, much of the actual evidence was not indicative of her accusation. Back then, there was generally still a presumption of innocence or having to prove the charge, unlike today where, for example, Bauer is guilty even though he was found not guilty and all of the evidence indicated the charge was an outright lie.



I’m pretty sure you nailed it for Lebron. Attacking the US government for very questionable things (such as the case where an officer, on video, shot a woman actively trying to murder an innocent block woman and saving her life with only a decor or two to spare and he tried to stir up outrage) while simultaneously appearing to, at best and most charitably, have no problem with the CCP marked him as a left wing wackadoodle to many on the right. Curt Schilling, but in reverse. I will never understand people who insist athletes must agree with their politics, on either side. I can understand, though don’t agree with, barring athletes who did heinous things that are objectively terrible and were in the context in which they lived like rape (with evidence) or murder. Drawing the line at political dissent from their views is just virtue signaling self righteousness. I have left wingers and right wingers in my cards and don’t care.

I don't know if Bauer is innocent or guilty, but there is significant evidence against him. I am not sure why you say there is not.

The woman presented herself at the police station and the police took pictures of her bruises and did a physical examination. That police file is evidence.

She made a phone call to Bauer with the police on the line where Bauer apparently admitted punching her. That call is evidence.

Obviously her sworn statement is also evidence, as is her testimony in court.

Two other women filed complaints against Bauer in the past alleging similar things, i.e. that Bauer punched and choked them during sex without their consent.

Again, I am not sure what the truth is, but there is evidence to weigh here.


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[G1911]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I don't know if Bauer is innocent or guilty, but there is significant evidence against him. I am not sure why you say there is not.

The woman presented herself at the police station and the police took pictures of her bruises and did a physical examination. That police file is evidence.

She made a phone call to Bauer with the police on the line where Bauer apparently admitted punching her. That call is evidence.

Obviously her sworn statement is also evidence, as is her testimony in court.

Two other women filed complaints against Bauer in the past alleging similar things, i.e. that Bauer punched and choked them during sex without their consent.

Again, I am not sure what the truth is, but there is evidence to weigh here.


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I was referring to the videos she filmed and were leaked, her messages, how her story never managed to line up with the evidence and her numerous direct contradictions that sunk the case. That she made a claim is not evidence of her claim being true. That she claimed he hit her is not evidence of anything, because everyone admitted that and the issue is of consensual rough sex vs. rape.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by G1911

I was referring to the videos she filmed and were leaked, her messages, how her story never managed to line up with the evidence and her numerous direct contradictions that sunk the case. That she made a claim is not evidence of her claim being true. That she claimed he hit her is not evidence of anything, because everyone admitted that and the issue is of consensual rough sex vs. rape.

OK so there is a lot of evidence that he beat her up, in fact he admits to most of it, but not much evidence, other than her testimony, that it was non-consensual. And he had evidence that called into question her testimony.



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