Hall of Fame Ballot Announced

[Gorditadogg]

Bonds and Clemens made the choice to cheat the game and the fans. They knew what they did was wrong and they lied about it over and over, and are still lying about it to this day.

They shouldn't expect to be in the Hall of Fame, they don't deserve to be in the Hall. It's not the fault of the voters, the players' own past choices are keeping them out.

Sure, Papi was a media darling and got in, and Reinsdorf coerced the committee to get Selig in, both horrible decisions, but that doesn't mean we should let every snake into the Hall.

The steroid scandal did major damage to the game of baseball. Bonds and Clemens, along with Selig and Reinsdorf, had huge roles in that and we all should be aware of it and not try to rationalize it away.

They cheated and got away with it. Good for them in a sense. They have their records and nobody has taken them away. But that doesn't mean they should be in the Hall of Fame.




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[nwobhm]

The HOF should be liquidated and a new organization formed. One that sets baselines for automatic induction. This good ol’ boys system is stupid. Pharmaceutical use should never have been tested for in the first place.

Schilling…. If he was a Democrat he would have been a 1st ballot inductee
Bonds…. Knock 20% off his HR totals for PED use and he’s still in the top 10 all time.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

The HOF should be liquidated and a new organization formed. One that sets baselines for automatic induction. This good ol’ boys system is stupid. Pharmaceutical use should never have been tested for in the first place.

Schilling…. If he was a Democrat he would have been a 1st ballot inductee
Bonds…. Knock 20% off his HR totals for PED use and he’s still in the top 10 all time.

Keep it in the same place, keep the real HOFers in, sweep out all the relatively recent BS, and start over...based solely on performance.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Keep it in the same place, keep the real HOFers in, sweep out all the relatively recent BS, and start over...based solely on performance.

The BS has been going on for at least 50 years--not sure if that still counts as recent. Frankie Frisch packed the HOF with his friends in the early 1970s--Jesse Haines, Dave Bankroft, Ross Youngs, Chick Hafey and George "Highpockets" Kelly (who peaked at 1.9% in the BBWAA voting).