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Old 12-09-2022, 11:47 PM
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Same Seller also has this 1980 nettles no name for 48$ ...isnt that a deal or is the no position version that is expensive....

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He has a BUNCH of 1980 Topps cards with no names that I am very skeptical of. I can't think of any logical reason why all of those cards would be printed without names when the same ink is not missing from the rest of the card. I might be opening myself up to a libel case but I suspect that someone either removed the names with an eraser or used chemicals to remove the names. Here are scans of a few of them.
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Old 12-09-2022, 11:49 PM
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He has a BUNCH of 1980 Topps cards with no names that I am very skeptical of. I can't think of any logical reason why all of those cards would be printed without names when the same ink is not missing from the rest of the card. I might be opening myself up to a libel case but I suspect that someone either removed the names with an eraser or used chemicals to remove the names. Here are scans of a few of them.
You nailed it. You can see the names are actually still there in these pictures, just very very faint.

The seller can get in line and sue me.
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Old 12-10-2022, 11:15 AM
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You nailed it. You can see the names are actually still there in these pictures, just very very faint.

The seller can get in line and sue me.
The removals look too neat too. All the ones I see are not that clean.
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Old 12-10-2022, 02:01 PM
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He has a BUNCH of 1980 Topps cards with no names that I am very skeptical of. I can't think of any logical reason why all of those cards would be printed without names when the same ink is not missing from the rest of the card. I might be opening myself up to a libel case but I suspect that someone either removed the names with an eraser or used chemicals to remove the names. Here are scans of a few of them.
Looked through those 1980s no name cards last night, have one word for them: ALTERED

The Rice is the most obvious one, Rice's missing name should be in red ink, so if the red ink was missing from the top edge of the card, then the position banner just to the left of the name would not be purple but would be blue. Also the red is present in the "All-Star" banner just below. Highly unlikely the red run was missed side to side AND up and down effecting just the area where the name is. Spread this across so many of these 1980 cards, they are clearly altered...my guess by sun light. I'll add a red letter 1980 card to my window.
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Old 12-10-2022, 02:30 PM
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In follow-up, I tried an eraser on a red letter card and (you can see the results below), I feel sun light was used to fade out most the red. Sun light does give a "neat and clean" appearance, not so much with the eraser I used. Most of his missing name cards are missing red names, but a few orange also (83T) . Yellow and then red are typically the two easiest colors to fade via sun light. IMO, using sun light would fade the yellow to white and the red would likely fade to what you see on his cards. Since he is not offering any cards with either a blue or black name (outside of the 80 Pryor) only names printed in red and yellow, it is fairly obvious these are not legit.

I added a 1980 RL card to my window.....
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Multi Peppers. There are more


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I have been going through my team set spreadsheet to try and look again for those that I haven't been able to find in the past. I also have noted those that I am not sure are reoccurring.

My first question - is the 1957 Topps Murry Dickson (red ball/blob in stats) reoccurring?

If it is and someone has one, could you post a scan or at least describe it? I may have found one, but I am not sure of what I am looking for.

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I AM REALLY TIRE OF LOOKING AT THE BACKS OF 1957 Topps Murry Dickson CARDS!!!!!!!

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Old 12-10-2022, 07:41 PM
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Also...

How about a 1963 Topps Bobby Shantz with a red stain on his face. I've never seen one. Is it the main picture or the inset picture? Is it reoccurring?

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Old 12-10-2022, 08:18 PM
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Got another one that is reoccurring -

1964 Topps #24 Carl Sawatski with the green bleeding up into the bottom of his name and also bleeding up into his neck.

Can anyone confirm is there is a reoccurring one of a white letter first "S" in his last name? I can't even find one.

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Old 12-12-2022, 10:52 AM
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How about a 1963 Topps Bobby Shantz with a red stain on his face. I've never seen one. Is it the main picture or the inset picture? Is it reoccurring?
Here is the scan of the normal and red stained face versions.
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Old 06-27-2023, 12:21 PM
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He has a BUNCH of 1980 Topps cards with no names that I am very skeptical of. I can't think of any logical reason why all of those cards would be printed without names when the same ink is not missing from the rest of the card. I might be opening myself up to a libel case but I suspect that someone either removed the names with an eraser or used chemicals to remove the names. Here are scans of a few of them.
To follow-up on this post from LY.... I had forgotten that I had placed this 80 T Kobel card in a west facing window in order to see how it would compare to the 3 cards in Cliff's post. Well, below is the Kobel (with the bottom intentionally sunbathed), IMO it looks like the Kobel's red lettering is further bleached than the 3 cards Cliff found being offered on ebay. When compared to the Kobel, it appears to be a near certainty that the Rice, Tom P. and Nettles card were sunbathed to remove the red colored player name and it does not appear to be a factory misprint on these 3 cards.

Also evident on the bottom of the Kobel is which primary color fades first, second and third on a 1980 Topps card.
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Old 06-27-2023, 03:13 PM
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To follow-up on this post from LY.... I had forgotten that I had placed this 80 T Kobel card in a west facing window in order to see how it would compare to the 3 cards in Cliff's post. Well, below is the Kobel (with the bottom intentionally sunbathed), IMO it looks like the Kobel's red lettering is further bleached than the 3 cards Cliff found being offered on ebay. When compared to the Kobel, it appears to be a near certainty that the Rice, Tom P. and Nettles card were sunbathed to remove the red colored player name and it does not appear to be a factory misprint on these 3 cards.

Also evident on the bottom of the Kobel is which primary color fades first, second and third on a 1980 Topps card.
Nice work! I was already skeptical of his missing name cards but when he showed the Tom Poquette I knew they were bogus because on the real 80 Tom Poquette yellow name the banner is also affected with the missing red ink but on his the banner is the same as a normal 80 Poquette card.
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Bob Lemon Red Heaert and his lemon colored eyes, hat, and thin line across the top
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I apologize if this one’s doesn’t qualify or has been posted already ( I do not have the brain power to view all 50 pages )
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I found a 1966 Topps dick Stuart 480 with “I guess a scrape in Mets name banner”
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