1916 M101-4 Sporting News Babe Ruth PSA 4 on Goldin

oldjudge · #1 12-26-2022, 08:13 PM

Very off center but otherwise nice--why are you posting this?

theshowandme · #2 12-26-2022, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Very off center but otherwise nice--why are you posting this?

Will be a fun auction to track. Did I break a rule?

oldjudge · #3 12-26-2022, 08:18 PM

No, but it is odd to see people post about lots in live auctions unless it is theirs; is this yours?

swarmee · #4 12-26-2022, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

Will be a fun auction to track. Did I break a rule?

Because there are a thousand different items for sale in auctions that end every week. Even cool ones don't need threads until they've been purchased.

There isn't an "outing an auction" rule, mainly just an expectation. Many people in the market for this card would be angry at you for bringing even more visibility to it, giving people a reason to think they will no longer get a steal or even fair market for it.

boneheadandrube · #5 12-26-2022, 08:47 PM

There's an SGC 7 coming up in Heritage that would be more interesting.

theshowandme · #6 12-26-2022, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Because there are a thousand different items for sale in auctions that end every week. Even cool ones don't need threads until they've been purchased.

There isn't an "outing an auction" rule, mainly just an expectation. Many people in the market for this card would be angry at you for bringing even more visibility to it, giving people a reason to think they will no longer get a steal or even fair market for it.

Ah, okay.

Didn�t mean to cross that boundary. I�m generally clueless on this stuff.

Michael B · #7 12-26-2022, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

Ah, okay.

Didn�t mean to cross that boundary. I�m generally clueless on this stuff.

I would not worry about it. If they did not complain they would feel the day is lost. This is a card in a major action that everyone here looks at. You did not 'out' anything. Pass out some bran muffins and Drano enemas and everyone will be fine.

BobC · #8 12-26-2022, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael B

I would not worry about it. If they did not complain they would feel the day is lost. This is a card in a major action that everyone here looks at. You did not 'out' anything. Pass out some bran muffins and Drano enemas and everyone will be fine.

+1

A card of that standing and value already has a severely limited number of interested collectors that can actually afford it. And the people at those levels likely are well aware of when a card like that comes up for sale, and likely have people or other systems in place looking out for them to let them know when one is available for sale. Plus, you know Goldin is hyping and advertising the heck out of such a big-name card to as many people as they can. Like Michael said, you didn't really "out" anything.

You're a fairly new member on here, and haven't posted much at all so far. Other long-time "regular" members will occasionally start threads talking about some big cards going up for sale, and even having people guess what they'll end up selling for. But because they've been on here for longer than you and/or are otherwise considered part of the "clique", no one on here gives them grief. Yet they did exactly the same thing you did.

Just keep this experience as a reminder going forward that some people will always look upon any mention of an auction or sale, before it is finalized, as potentially jeopardizing their perceived opportunity to get a bargain or "steal" of something that they hope isn't really seen by anyone else. Truth is, something like that is much more likely to happen with something up for sale on Ebay than at a big, well-known AH.

nolemmings · #9 12-26-2022, 11:47 PM

Curious that this same card was auctioned by Goldin just 6 months ago and sold for $510K with BP. Don't know if there was a reneged bid or someone just decided to turn it over that fast. I have often wondered about the Ruth rookie-- so many collectors claiming it would be their dream card yet they seem to flip it without a lot of hesitation. I generally understand the profit explanation when accompanied with a claim that the extra funds will help get something they really wanted, but kinda seems like you're already at the top of the mountain if you own this one, or damn near it.

puckpaul · #10 12-27-2022, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael B

I would not worry about it. If they did not complain they would feel the day is lost. This is a card in a major action that everyone here looks at. You did not 'out' anything. Pass out some bran muffins and Drano enemas and everyone will be fine.

+1

Big collectors aren�t missing these at auction.

mrreality68 · #11 12-27-2022, 06:36 AM

So what do you think the over/under is on this card since we have a thread.

It went for $510k with BP approx 6 months ago.

It is at $350k ($420k with BP)

I am thinking over $620k?

Any guesses?

Tabe · #12 12-26-2022, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

There isn't an "outing an auction" rule, mainly just an expectation. Many people in the market for this card would be angry at you for bringing even more visibility to it, giving people a reason to think they will no longer get a steal or even fair market for it.

Anyone angry over an auction like this being "outed" needs to get a clue. This is a major card being auctioned by one of the largest auction houses. There is absolutely zero chance of this card flying under the radar.

Vintagedeputy · #13 12-27-2022, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabe

There is absolutely zero chance of this card flying under the radar.

That�s not true at all.

Tabe · #14 12-27-2022, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

That�s not true at all.

A half million dollar card in a Goldin auction? No chance.

Vintagedeputy · #15 12-27-2022, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabe

A half million dollar card in a Goldin auction? No chance.

Not everyone has the free time to look, no matter what value�especially at this time of year.

parkplace33 · #16 12-28-2022, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabe

A half million dollar card in a Goldin auction? No chance.

100 percent agree. The big players in the hobby are all tracking these cards.

Vintageclout · #17 12-30-2022, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Because there are a thousand different items for sale in auctions that end every week. Even cool ones don't need threads until they've been purchased.

There isn't an "outing an auction" rule, mainly just an expectation. Many people in the market for this card would be angry at you for bringing even more visibility to it, giving people a reason to think they will no longer get a steal or even fair market for it.

Just for the record, no one & I mean NO ONE, is going to steal a Ruth rookie. Impossible. Posting this card on the board means absolutely nothing because anyone capable of purchasing it, is well aware that it is up for auction.

Yoda · #18 02-17-2023, 08:01 PM

I had a deep wistful feeling when I saw this post. Many moons ago back in Full Count days I bought from Lew Lipset a raw Ruth rookie, which was subsequently graded a 5 by Derek Grady when he was chief grader at SGC. Lew's price: $4,750. Long gone, of course.

Vintagedeputy · #19 12-27-2022, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

. Did I break a rule?

Yes, sort of�.

There�s three unwritten rules about auctions that I live by:

1) Never �out� an auction that�s live and in progress. The people currently bidding don�t need or want any other competition.

2) Never brag about where you found a particular deal, be it a little-known auction site, web page, physical store/location, etc. If you tell everyone where you found a steal, someone else will use that knowledge to steal it next time.

3) Don�t keep upping the bid every five minutes with days left in the auction. Figure out what your max bid is and make your max bid in the closing minute. Bidding items up over several days doesn�t really drive determined buyers away.

BobC · #20 12-27-2022, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

Will be a fun auction to track. Did I break a rule?

Again, don't worry about it. Truth is, if you think about it realistically, no matter what you do, you end up ticking somebody off. By not pointing out the auction you do a disservice to other collectors possibly looking to find a particular card, that otherwise may not have been aware of it. It is almost comical how when you see people initially coming on here that others will jump in to welcome them and tell them how lucky they are to find this site and how much information and help they'll be able to get from everyone on here that will gladly share their knowledge and expertise. And then you'll discover that some of that is nothing but bull$hit!!! Truth be known, many collectors, dealers, and others do not want to share any info or knowledge with others that could possibly impact their being able to get a deal or a steal on something that they want, or to be able to find some rare item they want for themselves.

For example, the supposed unwritten rule about not outing a current auction, may well be of benefit to those who found it and are bidding on it, which is usually but one very small group of people, at most. Meanwhile, by not passing the word along about a great card up for auction, it doesn't potentially help other collectors who actually may be interested in that particular card or item themselves. And there are a ton of collectors on here so that the chance that even one person would possibly benefit from learning about a card/item up for sale that they otherwise wouldn't have known about is pretty darn good. Also, the person who consigned for sale the particular card/item in question could potentially benefit as a result of additional bidders, and there are a ton of people on Net54 who have, are now, and/or will be consigning items for sale/auction in the future. And of course, the AH/consignee can also possibly benefit from having more potential bidders, and once again, we have many AH/consignee owners and workers that are members on here as well.

So isn't that somewhat interesting that by following this one, supposed, Net54 unwritten rule about "outing" a current auction, you may be doing a disservice to a few, at most, other Net54 members who discovered and were actually bidding on the "outed" sale/auction already, but by not mentioning it, aren't you possibly doing even more of a disservice to potentially even more Net54 members who would like to be bidders as well had they known the card/item was available for sale, and/or the sellers/consignors and the AHs/consignees who are behind and presenting the card/item for sale and are also members here on Net54 as well?

Of course, people coming on Net54 to tout and advertise their own items they are selling are often frowned upon as inappropriate, greedy, self-promoters. It would also lead to some clogging up the site with endless threads pushing their own items, which no one really wants, and isn't fair to the advertisers that actually pay the site owner. The longer you're on here, you'll notice that when others do post about some interesting card/item they did come across that is then still currently up for sale/auction, they'll almost immediately include a disclaimer about how it is not their item being sold, so as to stop the trolls and naysayers that would otherwise attack them unmercifully.

This site and its members are really no different than the public at large. A large part of the community is helpful and unselfish, but just like in real life, there are also many that are..............not so nice, open-minded, honest, or non-hypocritical. The best thing to do is just ignore those not-so-nice members you may unfortunately come across. Good luck, happy New Year, and happy collecting!

notfast · #21 12-27-2022, 07:41 PM

I see no issue with posting this.

I�m sure it was the first item listed in the email from net54 advertising the auction a few days ago.

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