PWCC Messaged Me...

G1911 · #1 12-29-2022, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

There is zero evidence of PWCC having ever been involved in a shill bidding operation, and in fact quite a lot of evidence to the contrary.

eBay on the other hand... is beyond plagued with shill bidding and they have deliberately chosen to ignore it. I'd wager good money that you give them your business though, right?

You never really explain your full conspiracy theory about why eBay threw away millions of dollars from one of their biggest sellers on the platform and opened themselves up to legal risk by very publicly banning them over a claim to fact that you claim is false. Still denying their complicity in the Gary Moser trimming and the mountains of evidence that they both knew and some of the cards were Brent's own? I'm sure you are. You always just claim the evidence doesn't exist, it's then presented to you or linked for the 5,000th time, and then you either double down and ignore it or claim others have done bad too and so PWCC is still a victim. Like clockwork.

I completely understand, just disagree with, doing business with fraud rings when it is to one's benefit. Unpaid simping for somebody else's fraud ring at every possible chance one gets, I will never understand.

Snowman · #2 01-01-2023, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

You never really explain your full conspiracy theory about why eBay threw away millions of dollars from one of their biggest sellers on the platform and opened themselves up to legal risk by very publicly banning them over a claim to fact that you claim is false. Still denying their complicity in the Gary Moser trimming and the mountains of evidence that they both knew and some of the cards were Brent's own? I'm sure you are. You always just claim the evidence doesn't exist, it's then presented to you or linked for the 5,000th time, and then you either double down and ignore it or claim others have done bad too and so PWCC is still a victim. Like clockwork.

I've explained why eBay accused "individuals associated with PWCC" of shill bidding numerous times. It's pretty simple, and quite obvious really. No conspiracy theories necessary. eBay learned that PWCC would soon be launching their own platform as a major competitor in the sports card auction space. Less than one month later, PWCC's website was live and immediately a zillion times better than eBay's. That sort of web development doesn't happen overnight. PWCC's auction platform had already been in development for a long time. eBay found out about it and, like eBay has shown numerous times over the past ~30 years, they AGGRESSIVELY go after their competition by any and every means necessary. eBay has also VERY CLEARLY demonstrated that they couldn't give two shits about shill bidding on their platform. In fact, they welcome it with open arms. Gotta make those shareholders happy! eBay tried to sling mud on their competition before they left on their own. This was absolutely a case of "You can't quit! You're fired!!!"

And your claim that they opened themselves up to legal risk by very publicly banning them? LOL. Please. Read it again. "Individuals associated with PWCC engaged in shill bidding". That's the snakiest wording possible. They didn't even accuse PWCC directly in their bullshit letter. They accused "individuals associated with" them (AKA - consigners).

But you already knew all of that.

As far as Gary Moser's (and other scissorhanded people) connections with PWCC goes, I've stated every time this topic gets brought up that I don't think they should be doing business with him. And guess what? They banned him. But just because they took his consignments in the past doesn't mean they too are guilty of trimming cards. Every single auction house and platform is going to have card trimmers washing cards through them. It's absolutely unavoidable. There are millions of trimmed cards in this hobby. Literally millions. If you want to stop buying cards from auction houses that sell trimmed cards, then you're going to run out of options real quick. Good luck with that.

Jeffrompa · #3 01-01-2023, 08:46 AM

You can�t trim a coin . But maybe you can manipulate Certification Companies to give you better grades to screw the market up .

Sounds familiar.

Republicaninmass · #4 01-01-2023, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrompa

You can�t trim a coin . But maybe you can manipulate Certification Companies to give you better grades to screw the market up .

Sounds familiar.

It's actually quite common, call coin clipping

Snowman · #5 01-02-2023, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

PWCC was a pimple on the butt of ebay and nobody there gives a fart about PWCC's system.

This is absolute nonsense. eBay has invested heavily in the sports cards and collectibles division of their company over the past couple years. They recognize the present and future value of this market. They also recognized PWCC as the soon-to-be top competitor in this space. If you honestly believe this was about shill bidding, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

+1 and PWCC's site is awful IMO

You're free to hate it, but it ranks the highest of any major auction site on every poll I've seen.

bnorth · #6 01-02-2023, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

This is absolute nonsense. eBay has invested heavily in the sports cards and collectibles division of their company over the past couple years. They recognize the present and future value of this market. They also recognized PWCC as the soon-to-be top competitor in this space. If you honestly believe this was about shill bidding, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You're free to hate it, but it ranks the highest of any major auction site on every poll I've seen.

Could you post links to all of these polls?

Snowman · #7 01-02-2023, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

Could you post links to all of these polls?

I've seen a few on Instagram. I'll try to remember to post next time I see one. I think the LukasTigersBrons podcast did one recently too.

Gorditadogg · #8 01-01-2023, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

I've explained why eBay accused "individuals associated with PWCC" of shill bidding numerous times. It's pretty simple, and quite obvious really. No conspiracy theories necessary. eBay learned that PWCC would soon be launching their own platform as a major competitor in the sports card auction space. Less than one month later, PWCC's website was live and immediately a zillion times better than eBay's. That sort of web development doesn't happen overnight. PWCC's auction platform had already been in development for a long time. eBay found out about it and, like eBay has shown numerous times over the past ~30 years, they AGGRESSIVELY go after their competition by any and every means necessary. eBay has also VERY CLEARLY demonstrated that they couldn't give two shits about shill bidding on their platform. In fact, they welcome it with open arms. Gotta make those shareholders happy! eBay tried to sling mud on their competition before they left on their own. This was absolutely a case of "You can't quit! You're fired!!!"

And your claim that they opened themselves up to legal risk by very publicly banning them? LOL. Please. Read it again. "Individuals associated with PWCC engaged in shill bidding". That's the snakiest wording possible. They didn't even accuse PWCC directly in their bullshit letter. They accused "individuals associated with" them (AKA - consigners).

But you already knew all of that.

As far as Gary Moser's (and other scissorhanded people) connections with PWCC goes, I've stated every time this topic gets brought up that I don't think they should be doing business with him. And guess what? They banned him. But just because they took his consignments in the past doesn't mean they too are guilty of trimming cards. Every single auction house and platform is going to have card trimmers washing cards through them. It's absolutely unavoidable. There are millions of trimmed cards in this hobby. Literally millions. If you want to stop buying cards from auction houses that sell trimmed cards, then you're going to run out of options real quick. Good luck with that.

PWCC was a pimple on the butt of ebay and nobody there gives a fart about PWCC's system.

BobbyStrawberry · #9 01-01-2023, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

PWCC was a pimple on the butt of ebay and nobody there gives a fart about PWCC's system.

+1 and PWCC's site is awful IMO

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