Should Some Interference Be Allowed In The BST Areas?

[wondo]

I vote against allowing comments. There will always be a grey area and the possibility it would degrade to a shitshow is too great.

[cubman1941]

I agree with Eric72 also but JollyElm's "hugh can of worms" is also valid. Like Pandora's Box, once it is open it can't be closed.

[Bridwell]

The buyer should do their own research. Sellers posting a "comparable" that has better centering or is a better-looking card is annoying, and unethical, but the buyer can look up the sale for themselves and compare before they make a large purchase.

[carlsonjok]

For a number of reasons, I haven't ever bought or sold much on BST, and normally would err on the side of more information being better, but the downside of this seems to far exceed the upside. I am reminded of the old saying about behavior in academic departments: "The politics are so vicious, because the stakes are so small." There is a lot of petty behavior even on non-BST threads and even causal observers can identify long-standing animosity between specific members. If it was just egregious behavior being called out, I could understand. But, pettiness works on a much a finer increment and who gets to decide the difference between egregious behavior and a merely optimistic seller?

It is my observation that most members here are fairly astute when it comes to the value of cards and memorabilia and the concern, for me anyways, would be newcomers to the hobby and the board. To that end, wouldn't it make more sense to have (yet another) stickie thread at the top of each BST thread with a tutorial on the various ways to determine sales comps? And perhaps requiring new members to read, and acknowledging reading, the tutorial as a condition for approval?

[ullmandds]

personally I think calling out potential BST seller on BS should be perfectly allowed.

although in this day and age...where do we draw the line as to what real data/facts are?

A recent auction result could be an outlier...a fake sale? But in many cases this is just a guess...noone knows for sure?

I have bought/sold some incredible cards on the bst over the last 15-20 yrs...and I value it as a great place to transact.

And this board has a way of self regulating itself...but only if BS is called out!!!!

I just want it to stay that way.

[ALBB]

Yea, its a seller tactic,

its a bit annoying,

everyone obviously sees what the seller is trying to do - " look that last Mantle in that shape sold for XX, Im only asking XY

If your at a show and a dealer say that to you..you kind of say to yourself " who cares, thats got nothing to do with this possible sale "

I dont think anything needs to be done

[SAllen2556]

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway
Whatever it is, I'm against it
No matter what it is or who commenced it
I'm against it

Your proposition may be good
But let's have one thing understood:
Whatever it is, I'm against it
And even when you've changed it or condensed it
I'm against it
I'm opposed to it
On general principles, I'm opposed to it.

-The beauty of the free market is that it corrects itself. No need to mess with it here. I've always liked the philosophy that "the fewer the rules, the better".

[Tere1071]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway
Whatever it is, I'm against it
No matter what it is or who commenced it
I'm against it

Your proposition may be good
But let's have one thing understood:
Whatever it is, I'm against it
And even when you've changed it or condensed it
I'm against it
I'm opposed to it
On general principles, I'm opposed to it.

-The beauty of the free market is that it corrects itself. No need to mess with it here. I've always liked the philosophy that "the fewer the rules, the better".

Groucho Marx sang something like this in one of the Marx Brothers films, no?

Phil aka Tere1071

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by ALBB

…sold for XX, Im only asking XY

That’s a rather manly asking price.

[perezfan]

Remember... there is also a prominent BST section for memorabilia. The "interjection" argument applies more to memorabilia than cards. Most cards are cataloged and categorized with universally known manufacturers, issue dates, values, etc.

With memorabilia, problematic issues involve more than just stating comps. Issues can involve the erroneous dating of a pennant, the mis-identification of a vintage photo, the authenticity of an ad sign, a forged autograph, or the incorrect tagging of a game-used uniform.

There are dozens of other potential issues... ranging from a simple mistake, to a novice seller, to outright fraud. I see nothing wrong with correcting such listings, as long as the interjection is valid. It is beyond frustrating to watch such listings run without any ability to correct or comment, until someone gets burned.

[JustinD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ALBB View Post
…sold for XX, Im only asking XY

Originally Posted by Eric72

That’s a rather manly asking price.

* cymbal crash *

[1952boyntoncollector]

funny years ago i cited an auction that was left out the same fact pattern and was met with criticism for that....years go by and now what I did is being considered....too soon for my time...story of my life

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

funny years ago i cited an auction that was left out the same fact pattern and was met with criticism for that....years go by and now what I did is being considered....too soon for my time...story of my life

Things get reconsidered all of the time. Change is much less often. I appreciate all of the comments so far.
.

[Snapolit1]

I just think it would inevitably devolve into stuff like "Gee, $1800 . . . . wasn't that sold last week at LOTG for $650?"

There's deceptive and there's exaggeration and there's the buyer who misrepresents unwittingly and there's just greed . . . so many diffferent flavors.

A rule that you can call someone out on inaccuracies about what they are selling ("hey that's not a 1914 CJ but a 1915. . .") seems prefectly fine to me.

[hcv123]

I generally agree that changing the rules would be akin to opening up a can of worms.

An issue like pricing/value (or grading) practically includes subjectivity. As the specific question you asked was about publicly available and easily accessed information, I think the responsibility for due diligence is on both the buyer and seller. We frequently discuss "caveat emptor" and "eye appeal premium" - perhaps the seller is noting cards that he believes are the closest representation to his regarding that? I know anytime I am looking at purchasing a card, I could care less what "comps" a seller is providing - I do my own homework.


That said, I think you could handle on a case-by-case basis a seller who is in your opinion repeatedly & purposefully trying to dupe.

A grayer area to me would be calling attention to cards or items with known controversy that may not be as easily accessible. I recall a thread recently where the authenticity of certain sealed packs had been discussed in an article which the poster linked to in the thread. Another example would be a card that someone knows/notices has been called into question as to it's alteration by BODA (with a link to the appropriate page). Not sure if/where to draw a line, but something like this would seem like a better argument could be made than for "simple" pricing.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

I'd vote not to "over legislate" the B/S/T. If someone posts misleading comps, so be it. As a seller you will develop an unseemly reputation and likely also be called out by a member or two. Expect it. Mod's allow it to happen. Of course forum etiquette still applies.

And that's the thing, if you're going to post ridiculous comps from say, 2021, then you invite others to call out your unscrupulous behavior. Don't get mad when they do. Most understand ~Buyer Beware~

[refz]

I’m ok with this, I know m off a lot of times with pricing.


Perhaps other areas also not only pricing and sales. Education is how we grow!

[ullmandds]

i'd like someone to tell me my price is too low...as this has been my issue in the past...so I could raise it!!!

[Econteachert205]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'd like someone to tell me my price is too low...as this has been my issue in the past...so I could raise it!!!

Lol me too. It took me a while to figure out that having everything I list sell within an hour isn’t necessarily a good thing.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'd like someone to tell me my price is too low...as this has been my issue in the past...so I could raise it!!!

I would tell you. After I posted/PMed you I would take it and then received it in the mail.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'd like someone to tell me my price is too low...as this has been my issue in the past...so I could raise it!!!

There was a T206 BST thread in which the seller drastically under-priced a Titus. That discussion became a bit...spirited.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...ighlight=titus

So, the door does swing both ways. In either case, the end result seems similar.

[Oscar_Stanage]

I've never understood why there is a written or unwritten rule of not allowing people to comment. The only reason I have found that sellers do not want this is so they can inflate prices and/or hide information and do not want to be questioned.

Any comment should be easily defensible/explained by a seller or you should not be selling. What are you so afraid of?

I have sold cards before on FB and if someone comments, I just explain- "I am pricing this for X, yes it is 10% above comps. I look at the VCP sales and my card is clearly better because of X,Y,X.. thus that is my price. feel free to make an offer"

[HexsHeroes]

.

Personally feel that if acceptable for members to post current market valuation data or information to another member's B/S/T post, then it should be perfectly acceptable for members to "out" auctions.

I realize "outing" behavior is very unpopular among members and that many might not see any relationship between the question posed by Leon here and "outing". But IMHO both behaviors are related.

That said, am I one to intentionally out auctions? No !!!

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by wondo

I vote against allowing comments. There will always be a grey area and the possibility it would degrade to a shitshow is too great.

Agree 100%.