Top 100 Errors / Variations and the state of collections these cards prior to 1985

[ALR-bishop]

The 3 52 DPs have noticeable differences front and back. Many if not most Topps DPs have very subtle differences, often only minor cropping differences.

For myself I view cards with recurring differences from their common counterparts as variants. I tend to view variations as variants where the difference resulted from an intentional intervention in the cards appearance by the manufacturer , such as the added traded or option lines in 1959 or the correction of Spahn’s DOB.

Although DP differences themselves were not likely intended, they did result from intentional decisions in the printing process. But as I conceded to Adam there are hundreds of very subtle DP differences. For instance there are two versions of the 1956 Ted Williams card that are pretty hard to spot. ( not the 55 dotted i card)

And how can it be accurately determined if the hundreds of recurring print defects in cards were detected and corrected or simply came and went undetected in the printing process ?

If you collect any and all variations, variants, varieties, errors corrected and uncorrected, definitions may not matter. But it is hobby recognition of card differences that creates market demand and drives pricing.

PSA recognition seems to be one of the few ways to get current recognition of a “new” variation. But I guess if they can designate a 61 Fairly with an errant green smudge in the baseball on the card back as a variation, there is hope for almost any defect

We need someone in charge of this stuff

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

We need someone in charge of this stuff

+ a gazillion!!!!!!!!!!

Been saying all along we need some group/organization that is comprised and primarily made up, and actually for the benefit and primary interests, of the true "collectors" in this hobby, and not just overrun and controlled by dealers/investors/TPGs, to set the standards and measures that are then deemed what the hobby goes by and follows. Not leave it to TPGs or others to decide what they think the grading standards should be, and let each of them do what they want. Provide independent approval/licensing and acknowledgement by such a group/organization and mandated third-party review of such players in the industry, and their procedures, to show actual results in providing true transparency of what and how they do things. Not just simply provide mere lip service, which is often all that is offered to the collecting public at large by many of these card collecting industry players, if they'll even say anything at all.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by BobC

+ a gazillion!!!!!!!!!!

Been saying all along we need some group/organization that is comprised and primarily made up, and actually for the benefit and primary interests, of the true "collectors" in this hobby, and not just overrun and controlled by dealers/investors/TPGs, to set the standards and measures that are then deemed what the hobby goes by and follows. Not leave it to TPGs or others to decide what they think the grading standards should be, and let each of them do what they want. Provide independent approval/licensing and acknowledgement by such a group/organization and mandated third-party review of such players in the industry, and their procedures, to show actual results in providing true transparency of what and how they do things. Not just simply provide mere lip service, which is often all that is offered to the collecting public at large by many of these card collecting industry players, if they'll even say anything at all.

They can meet in the tv room of the sanitarium

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

They can meet in the tv room of the sanitarium

Thursdays is our only open night if anyone is interested.

[Republicaninmass]

1952 topps #146 frank house

Possible 3 placements in sheet


1,2. Produced with normal tiger logo

3. Produced with yellow tiger logo

1a, 2a. Logo changed to remove red little by little leaving green mixture on house's throat


1b,2b,3a. Logos all matched

[JollyElm]

If you need to fill holes in your list, check out this thread I used to run. It's called "FT: Errors & Variations-a-palooza!!!!" and hasn't been updated in a couple of years, but there's a tremendous amount of different variations listed in it:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=242217

[Mitochondria]

Thank you for sharing. Impressive and informative list of variations!

Ron

[Grigsby]

The 1979 Bump Wills card was a big deal until the madness of the 80's started.

[gonefishin]

I think one of the coolest error versions are no doubt the 1969 White Letters with Mantle leading the way.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

1952 topps #146 frank house

Possible 3 placements in sheet


1,2. Produced with normal tiger logo

3. Produced with yellow tiger logo

1a, 2a. Logo changed to remove red little by little leaving green mixture on house's throat


1b,2b,3a. Logos all matched

Ted,

Have you tried to get PSA to recognize the green throat variation? Also, what type of "proof" do they typically require prior to recognizing this

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

They can meet in the tv room of the sanitarium

I think I get the joke, but do you really think having an actual organized group comprised of actual collectors wouldn't be helpful in looking out for collectors/members of such a group, and for sharing such information for their benefit?

It is actually the same basic idea/concept as to why people come on Net54, to share information and such so everyone can supposedly benefit and be aware of things happening in the collecting world. By making fun or a joke of my comments, you are sort of making fun of yourself by being on Net54 to begin with. Or is that just your attempt to directly take a jab at me and suggest I belong in some kind of asylum?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by BobC

I think I get the joke, but do you really think having an actual organized group comprised of actual collectors wouldn't be helpful in looking out for collectors/members of such a group, and for sharing such information for their benefit?

It is actually the same basic idea/concept as to why people come on Net54, to share information and such so everyone can supposedly benefit and be aware of things happening in the collecting world. By making fun or a joke of my comments, you are sort of making fun of yourself by being on Net54 to begin with. Or is that just your attempt to directly take a jab at me and suggest I belong in some kind of asylum?

Hi Bob, I think collectors in general are kind of odd ducks, myself included. Those that obsess over these errors and variations are really in their own league. More like the "rain men" of a hobby. I think finding this board allows us to share thoughts with those few people who actually care about errors and variations. I really dont think there are that many people in the hobby who care enough about them. This comes from someone who scoured for SIGNED errors and variations! Certainly not a Jab at anyone, but do think its pretty esoteric

[ALR-bishop]

I can confirm that Ted is an odd duck. Otherwise I have no idea what he is talking about

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Hi Bob, I think collectors in general are kind of odd ducks, myself included. Those that obsess over these errors and variations are really in their own league. More like the "rain men" of a hobby. I think finding this board allows us to share thoughts with those few people who actually care about errors and variations. I really dont think there are that many people in the hobby who care enough about them. This comes from someone who scoured for SIGNED errors and variations! Certainly not a Jab at anyone, but do think its pretty esoteric

Thanks Ted,

Was just checking though. LOL My comment was more generalized about the overall state of the hobby in total, and in response to Al's comment about the hobby itself needing "someone in charge of this stuff". I was straying off topic a bit, my apologies for doing so. Was also referencing how the hobby itself, in a lot of aspects, could really use some oversight and be better off if there were a group/organization actually representing all the "true collectors" in the hobby, and not leaving it up to the TPGs, AHs, big-time dealers, and such others in the hobby industry that end up currently making the decisions for us collectors, and telling us what is or isn't collectible, valuable, etc., etc..

Definitely agree with your comment about card collectors possibly being a little on the "not always so sane" side of things. Grown men obsessing over baseball cards, yeah, we're normal! LOL