Let's play a game of guess the grades!

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by rats60

When I was putting together my set, I figured a 20% discount for the same card in a SGC holder vs a PSA holder. For the condition difference, I think you are looking at 40-50% of your asking price in cash being added to the SGC to equal the value of the PSA.

Thank you Floyd, for reading and responding to the question in my last post. As the offer I received was not even close, I didn't actually take the time to think about exactly what it would be, but my thinking is in the ballpark of alligned with yours (though I do think the gap is closing between PSA and SGC on prewar cards). For me it was more about the "obvious?" condition difference, "grade" notwithstanding.

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't understand the viewpoint that they ought to both be the same grade. If these two cards were submitted both raw, together, to the same company, there is zero chance of them coming back with the same grade. At any TPG.

Not only the same, but if you look back at the beginning of the thread, there are a couple who suggested the SGC grade higher than the PSA!? I am with you - I don't understand either (but have requested explanation) - Interesting and perplexing.

[Leon]

I don't care about the effing holders. I don't collect plastic. I would pay 25%-30% more for the PSA one because it's a lot nicer.

The reason some members picked weird numbers is because, since you are showing them, we thought something was really awry.
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[rats60]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Thank you Floyd, for reading and responding to the question in my last post. As the offer I received was not even close, I didn't actually take the time to think about exactly what it would be, but my thinking is in the ballpark of alligned with yours (though I do think the gap is closing between PSA and SGC on prewar cards). For me it was more about the "obvious?" condition difference, "grade" notwithstanding.



Not only the same, but if you look back at the beginning of the thread, there are a couple who suggested the SGC grade higher than the PSA!? I am with you - I don't understand either (but have requested explanation) - Interesting and perplexing.

If SGC is closing the gap, then good for me. About 40% of my set is in SGC holders. I was getting them at a 20% discount, sometimes more. I found the PSA registry has some dealers and collectors not wanting SGC cards at all, creating a premium for PSA.

I think people thought your original point was that you just got this PSA card graded and weren't happy with the grade. People were just guessing that this was a harsh PSA grade and you were showing a worse condition card in a SGC holder. The PSA card is clearly in better condition.

When I sent t205s to PSA, I got a couple 3s that were nicer than your 4. Your card easily could have been graded 3. Grading is just that graders opinion on that day. I originally wanted my set in EX or better. I ended up with a few 4s because everytime I found an upgrade, it was in worse condition than the card I had, despite having a higher number on the flip.

[1880nonsports]

Guess I'm old school. No idea what/why they would think the way they do BUT
I/m with snownuts :-)

"If I were subbing today, I'd expect a 2.5 on the SGC card and a 3 on the PSA"

Actually that's what "I" think they should be graded regardless of TPA.....

[puckpaul]

The PSA one looks like a classic 4 old school, well centered, no creases!, wear to the corners but not much else. I would only call this a 3 on the new tougher scale. Regardless, it should attract buyers beyond a VG price.

[RCMcKenzie]

I agree that the PSA holder adds significant monetary value. As talked about above, the card in the PSA holder is slightly nicer, except for the dot on his nose, which evens them out to me.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I agree that the PSA holder adds significant monetary value. As talked about above, the card in the PSA holder is slightly nicer, except for the dot on his nose, which evens them out to me.

Now that i see it, the dot(s) are annoying a little, and side by side the PSA has less focus. Still, I prefer the overall PSA card.

[JollyElm]

God, now you have us all seeing dots! There are two more on Matty's neck (scan artifacts?) and also one on the SGC's forehead!