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02-01-2023, 09:32 AM
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Does it really matter?
That it was the original creator/printer that "reissued" them 37 years later - in a manner that is at least arguably deceptive as they looked so similar to the originals.
Was it a $$ grab? Was he in partnership in some way with Gilberto? If they were printed in 2009 they are clearly not 1972. Though off the top of my head I can't think of a similar instance, I have to believe this is not the 1st time such a thing has happened. Some possibilities: 1947-66 Exhibit cards 1972 "Roberto & Me " souvenir pamphlet The above notwithstanding, they do not belong in 3rd party holders labeled as "1972".
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02-01-2023, 10:32 AM
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Thanks for sharing. Definitely an exciting story with lots of odd twists and turns.
Glad to hear a few more of the mysteries of the hobby are a little closer to being understood.
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02-01-2023, 11:38 AM
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The least he could have done is made cards/stickers of Jose Cardenal and Gonzalo Marquez in 2009 that are missing from the 1972 set.
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02-01-2023, 12:18 PM
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That’s awesome! Someone made a 72 Jose Cardenal from a 1972 Venezuelan #166 Steve Hamilton and a 1975 Topps Jose Cardenal.
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02-01-2023, 12:51 PM
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My message has produced differing thoughts across multiple message boards.
I've long known Gilberto to be involved with them in some way, now I question whether he was responsible for the re-issue altogether. This makes way more sense than the original creator reissuing the cards 37 years later. I must revert my opinion to what I originally believed, the cards issued in 2009 are counterfeits produced with the intent to deceive. They are worthless. Last edited by a761506; 02-01-2023 at 12:56 PM.
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02-01-2023, 08:20 PM
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That is ingenious how someone solved the missing non existent #87 Jose Cardenal card/sticker from the album, they took a #166 Steve Hamilton and cut up and possibly skinned a 1975 Topps Jose Cardenal card and created a Frankenstein 1972 Venezuelan Jose Cardenal card/sticker by gluing the Cardenal photo over the Hamilton photo and the Cardenal nameplate over the Hamilton name.
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02-01-2023, 08:32 PM
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Don't forget, it's also the 'pursed lips fisheye between his first and last name' variation as well!!!!!
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