Roberto Clemente Banned in Florida

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dale, I don't like it any more from the left than from the right.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree but it is, by far, imo, more of a left agenda than it is a right one.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dale, I don't like it any more from the left than from the right.

Originally Posted by irv

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree but it is, by far, imo, more of a left agenda than it is a right one.

You won't have to worry about either left or right soon. Our alien overlords are going to make themselves known in the near future. Then we will have real problems. I have this on good authority. I seen it on both Facebook and Twitter.

[irv]

Originally Posted by bnorth

You won't have to worry about either left or right soon. Our alien overlords are going to make themselves known in the near future. Then we will have real problems. I have this on good authority. I seen it on both Facebook and Twitter.

We're having an adult conversation here, Ben. I know it's hard for you to grasp and understand but why don't you go grab yourself a juice box and a fruit rollup then sit back and try to learn something for a change.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

We're having an adult conversation here, Ben. I know it's hard for you to grasp and understand but why don't you go grab yourself a juice box and a fruit rollup then sit back and try to learn something for a change.

I learn something new with every one of your amazing posts.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by bnorth

You won't have to worry about either left or right soon. Our alien overlords are going to make themselves known in the near future. Then we will have real problems. I have this on good authority. I seen it on both Facebook and Twitter.

Will they be releasing a Green Refractor insert set before they take over the world?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Will they be releasing a Green Refractor insert set before they take over the world?

The whole 1962 set will be reprised.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The whole 1962 set will be reprised.

I hope not the only uglier set is the wood grain 87 Topps set.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I hope not the only uglier set is the wood grain 87 Topps set.

I mean the Mars Attacks set.

[egri]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I hope not the only uglier set is the wood grain 87 Topps set.

Ok, now this thread is getting controversial!

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

Sometimes it helps to remember that what politicians (for or against a bill) and the media say are not really true. The wonderful thing about legislation is that it is all documentary, there is an actual text of the bill and nothing not in that text is in the bill. It's an issue that can be entirely resolved by looking at the document. What is actually in a law that is passed and what everyone is screeching about are often very, very different.

The text of the bill is only 496 lines, it’s not one of the thousand page confusing ones that is a genuine pain to decipher. The actual law is here: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bil...ext/Filed/HTML. If you are really lazy, 51-78 are a pretty good TL;DR of the thesis.

It does not discriminate between races in any way, it sets a standard for all that is exactly the same. It says that one cannot teach that a race is morally superior to another, that an individual is inherently racist because of their race, that moral character is determined by the color of their skin, that a person deserves to be discriminated against because of the actions of people of the same skin color in the past who have nothing to do with them, that a person should feel guilt, anguish or discomfort because of their race.

It does not, in any way, “force schools and libraries to remove literature about people of color or with LGBTQ themes.” Not only is this a complete lie, the bill specifically states that schools are required to teach:

“167 The history of African Americans, including the history
168 of African peoples before the political conflicts that led to
169 the development of slavery, the passage to America, the
170 enslavement experience, abolition, and the contributions of
171 African Americans to society. Instructional materials shall
172 include the contributions of African Americans to American
173 society.”

This, of course, is the exact opposite of what this article and so many others are saying. “Certified”, “media”, and “specialist” are three words that never appear in the bill anywhere in any context whatsoever.

Obviously, a book celebrating Roberto Clemente is not banned, unless it argues that Clemente was morally superior to others because of his skin color (what we would call racist if it was about a white male). It’s a smart move to do this though, people are by and large not going to read the actual bill or do any research whatsoever, they’ll just follow whatever articles that preach their views to them say without any inquiry. Announcing they’re pulling an unobjectionable book that obviously is not banned by this law is just optics politics. It’s rage bait for their base, regardless of how absurd it is on even cursory inspection.

People should actually read the bill instead of the clickbait articles before they rage. One can certainly for or against the law, but one should actually look at it first. That's a probably a hot take in 2023.

It still amazes me what some people will believe just because the media told them so.
I wonder how many still believe Jan 6th was an actual insurrection?
I wonder how many still believe the Russian Collusion narrative?
Trump called Neo-Nazi's fine people?
The Steele Dossier?
Mostly peaceful protests?
Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation.
The FBI, CIA and DOJ are honest and unbiased?
It goes on and on.
https://twitter.com/RepStefanik/stat...I4sjgA26s%3D19

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The whole 1962 set will be reprised.

I would think they'd reissue the scarce 1947 regional issue with the Roswell backstamp, maybe add a weather balloon relic insert.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bnorth

You won't have to worry about either left or right soon. Our alien overlords are going to make themselves known in the near future. Then we will have real problems. I have this on good authority. I seen it on both Facebook and Twitter.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=249549163546747

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by steve B

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=249549163546747

That is hilarious and I have met more than one person like Steven in real life and many on forums.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree but it is, by far, imo, more of a left agenda than it is a right one.

I am probably on balance a little to the right of center especially these days and I do like some of what DeSantis has done, and maybe that's why seeing him stoop to the level of unnecessary censorship bothers me a great deal. IMO it's just a bad precedent and the non-Trump Republicans should be above such things.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am probably on balance a little to the right of center especially these days and I do like some of what DeSantis has done, and maybe that's why seeing him stoop to the level of unnecessary censorship bothers me a great deal. IMO it's just a bad precedent and the non-Trump Republicans should be above such things.

I don't think that genie is going back in the bottle. Straight up lunacy is now widely accepted as a legitimate political position. That may change over time but I don't see it going away anytime soon.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am probably on balance a little to the right of center especially these days and I do like some of what DeSantis has done, and maybe that's why seeing him stoop to the level of unnecessary censorship bothers me a great deal. IMO it's just a bad precedent and the non-Trump Republicans should be above such things.

I honestly don't think he is stooping to unnecessary censorship, he is just making sure, imo, no race baiting, critical race theory, gender reassignment info, LGBTQ info, among other things, are in these grade school books?

I am pretty sure he is an advocate for free speech as well but he knows/recognizes being a certain age to be able to understand such things, especially of a sexual nature, is important too.
These drag queens and the like reading and dancing for these toddlers is something I never imagined would ever happen. It's insanity, and guess what party is pushing it?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would not give a public official authority to decide what is or is not race baiting. If a kids' book on Roberto Clemente is under scrutiny, something is wrong with that picture. BTW I went to school with Kim Crenshaw, credited with being one of the founders of critical race theory.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am probably on balance a little to the right of center especially these days and I do like some of what DeSantis has done.

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