HOF - True or False

ParisianJohn · #1 02-12-2023, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

Some people's "shame" is other people's "transparency".

Total Ballots Cast

2016: 440
2017: 442
2018: 422
2019: 425
2020: 397
2021: 401

The number of voters has been trending downwards since the BBWAA started implementing rules to remove voters who hadn't covered the game in a very long time.

I don't see anything that suggests people didn't vote in 2019 in some kind of secret protest, seeing as the number of votes cast was higher than the prior year and the 2020 number was also lower.

Good point about the lower number of HOF voters due to new rules

It may not have been that many in 2019 but I do know Bill Balou said he'd not vote at all because he didn't want to cost Rivera the first 100% vote. There may have been others.

https://nesn.com/2018/12/boston-area...-hall-of-fame/

Mike D. · #2 02-12-2023, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisianJohn

Good point about the lower number of HOF voters due to new rules

It may not have been that many in 2019 but I do know Bill Balou said he'd not vote at all because he didn't want to cost Rivera the first 100% vote. There may have been others.

https://nesn.com/2018/12/boston-area...-hall-of-fame/

There may have been a handful of folks like this guy, who didn't cast a ballot (as others have pointed out, he didn't send one, not send a blank ballot).

But his logic is pretty terrible. "He's the best closer, but doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame because saves are a bad statistic" is non-sensical. Even if saves were not a stat, wouldn't Rivera STILL be the best closer?

I always thought the "percent of the vote" thing is given more attention than it deserves, both from those who would "protect" the "unanimous" and those who concern themselves too much with who got what.

An awful lot of this is all context driven...the first class didn't have low percentages for obvious reasons. A player who was on a weak ballot might see a bit higher percentage.

One minor thing that public ballots has more or less done away with is the whole "local writer throws a vote to local favorite who's clearly not a Hall of Famer". Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I don't really have an opinion on.

ParisianJohn · #3 02-13-2023, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

I always thought the "percent of the vote" thing is given more attention than it deserves, both from those who would "protect" the "unanimous" and those who concern themselves too much with who got what.

...

One minor thing that public ballots has more or less done away with is the whole "local writer throws a vote to local favorite who's clearly not a Hall of Famer". Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I don't really have an opinion on.

Yeah, when people argue over the greatest player(s) at any given position they bring up stuff like OPS, WAR, JAWS, WHIP, ERA, but no one ever brings up their percentage of the HOF vote.

Jerry Remy, who grew up right around Boston and spent most of his career with the Red Sox, got a HOF vote. Had to have been a local writer. Eric Karros got two HOF votes!

TUM301 · #4 02-13-2023, 09:47 AM

And speaking of Ty Cobb`s father, indeed shot by Ty`s mother, here`s a seldom seen auto of one William Herschell Cobb. Pretty crazy story befitting Cobb and his legacy.

William Herschell Cobb Autograph by Hugh Murphy, on Flickr

oldjudge · #5 02-13-2023, 11:32 AM

Ryan--After reading your questions I have one more to add:

True or False--It is a good idea to tell your spouse a story about a wife killing her husband? 🤣

frankbmd · #6 02-13-2023, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Ryan--After reading your questions I have one more to add:

True or False--It is a good idea to tell your spouse a story about a wife killing her husband? 🤣

My wife enjoys watching a program called "Wives with Knives"

JollyElm · #7 02-13-2023, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Ryan--After reading your questions I have one more to add:

True or False--It is a good idea to tell your spouse a story about a wife killing her husband? 🤣

336. Kintimidation
(Cue the portentous music...) Always having to sleep with one eye firmly open, because it�s becoming more and more apparent that your wife and kids know EXACTLY how much of a gold mine your collection has become.

steve B · #8 02-14-2023, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm

336. Kintimidation
(Cue the portentous music...) Always having to sleep with one eye firmly open, because it�s becoming more and more apparent that your wife and kids know EXACTLY how much of a gold mine your collection has become.

Wasn't that a Greg Khin album?..

Rhotchkiss · #9 02-13-2023, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Ryan--After reading your questions I have one more to add:

True or False--It is a good idea to tell your spouse a story about a wife killing her husband? 🤣

Lol! I hope I am safe, but you never know

Leon · #10 02-16-2023, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Lol! I hope I am safe, but you never know

Just keep the cards away from her

. I have a good story over a cold one, concerning that, some day.
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vansaad · #11 02-14-2023, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TUM301

And speaking of Ty Cobb`s father, indeed shot by Ty`s mother, here`s a seldom seen auto of one William Herschell Cobb. Pretty crazy story befitting Cobb and his legacy.

William Herschell Cobb Autograph by Hugh Murphy, on Flickr

Cool piece. I don't recall seeing Mr. Cobb' auto before. Here is a check that I have written to Cobb's mother in the 1930's. She was still signing her name as Mrs. W. H. Cobb. Well, at least she was when Cobb made out the check to her that way.

cobb check small f.jpg

cobb check small b.jpg

Yoda · #12 02-14-2023, 12:02 PM

I think the enhanced public groundswell of support alluded to certainly helped Minoso and Hodges gain entrance. Jim Kaat, whose career i never followed, not so about.

Mike D. · #13 02-13-2023, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisianJohn

Jerry Remy, who grew up right around Boston and spent most of his career with the Red Sox, got a HOF vote. Had to have been a local writer. Eric Karros got two HOF votes!

Bronson Arroyo got one Hall of Fame vote this year. It came from Peter Gammons.

Gammons has partnered on a "Hot Stove, Cool Music" event every year to raise funds for charity. Arroyo is a musician and has been a part of the event for about 20 years.

Maybe if there are good stories behind them, the "threw them a vote" situations are OK, since so many voters never vote for their full allotment.

Carter08 · #14 02-14-2023, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

Bronson Arroyo got one Hall of Fame vote this year. It came from Peter Gammons.

Gammons has partnered on a "Hot Stove, Cool Music" event every year to raise funds for charity. Arroyo is a musician and has been a part of the event for about 20 years.

Maybe if there are good stories behind them, the "threw them a vote" situations are OK, since so many voters never vote for their full allotment.

Gammons is relevant to this too because he once said Chipper Jones was the best pure hitter he ever saw. As a Mets fan, hated him. As a baseball fan, had to respect him.

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