WW3 Please SAY NO!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

......and all of a sudden this past week, Congress unanimously decided to agree Covid escaped from the Wuhan lab, after 3 years of denial.

That was the Department Of Energy, there are 213 current Representatives and 51 current Senators who wouldn’t do that if you put a gun to their heads regardless of what evidence you presented to them.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That was the Department Of Energy, there are 213 current Representatives and 51 current Senators who wouldn’t do that if you put a gun to their heads regardless of what evidence you presented to them.

Ha, probably true.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That was the Department Of Energy, there are 213 current Representatives and 51 current Senators who wouldn’t do that if you put a gun to their heads regardless of what evidence you presented to them.

Plenty of boardmembers as well...

[frankbmd]

Conspiracy theories can, but certainly not always, have merit.

If the media chooses to label something a conspiracy theory, automatically over 50% of the population will dismiss it as garbage.

Follow the science is meaningless, unless you trust the source and understand it.

I think the pitch clock is a good thing. It's amazing that batters can still hit without adjusting the velcro on their batting gloves after each pitch.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Our resident fount of all wisdom.

[frankbmd]

Thank you Peter for the “pitch”, which you completed in less than 15 seconds.

[BobC]

Funny how when at a conference hosted in a country some are supposedly starting to look at as your ally, that even they laugh out loud at the crap you spew. Maybe there is some hope for mankind yet.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crowd-eru...180331064.html

Can't wait to see how the resident @$$#0(&s will try to spin this one. So people from India and the rest of the world are all just as stupid as Americans, know about nothing but the fake news they hear, etc., etc., etc. Rather than putting up more crap, why not go look for a Steven Seagal movie to watch on Netflix, or see if you can't pull up a Roger Waters' video on YouTube to listen to.

Damn, where's that Ignore button again....................

Some people make jokes about Zelensky, and how he is just a comedian trying to get over on a bigger stage. Sounds like someone from the other side is jealous, and trying to get their own stand-up career going in this case. And looks like they had a good start. LOL

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Funny how when at a conference hosted in a country some are supposedly starting to look at as your ally, that even they laugh out loud at the crap you spew. Maybe there is some hope for mankind yet.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crowd-eru...180331064.html

Can't wait to see how the resident @$$#0(&s will try to spin this one. So people from India and the rest of the world are all just as stupid as Americans, know about nothing but the fake news they hear, etc., etc., etc. Rather than putting up more crap, why not go look for a Steven Seagal movie to watch on Netflix, or see if you can't pull up a Roger Waters' video on YouTube to listen to.

Damn, where's that Ignore button again....................

Some people make jokes about Zelensky, and how he is just a comedian trying to get over on a bigger stage. Sounds like someone from the other side is jealous, and trying to get their own stand-up career going in this case. And looks like they had a good start. LOL

Resist the urge to use the ignore button. Seriously you will miss out on some funny stuff.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by BobC

Funny how when at a conference hosted in a country some are supposedly starting to look at as your ally, that even they laugh out loud at the crap you spew. Maybe there is some hope for mankind yet.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crowd-eru...180331064.html

Can't wait to see how the resident @$$#0(&s will try to spin this one. So people from India and the rest of the world are all just as stupid as Americans, know about nothing but the fake news they hear, etc., etc., etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...lution_ES-11/4

United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES‑11/4 is the fourth resolution of the eleventh emergency special session of the United Nations General Assembly, adopted on 12 October 2022, following Resolution ES-11/3 which was adopted on 7 April 2022. Resolution ES‑11/4 declares that Russia's so-called referendums in the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts and the subsequent attempted annexation are invalid and illegal under international law. It calls upon all states to not recognize these territories as part of Russia. Furthermore, it demands that Russia "immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw" from Ukraine as it is violating its territorial integrity and sovereignty. The resolution was passed with an overwhelming vote of 143 in favour, 5 against and 35 abstaining. This resolution achieved more votes in favour of condemning Russia's actions than Resolution ES-11/1, the initial resolution on the Russian invasion of Ukraine which demanded that Russia withdraw its forces from Ukraine.

The ones supporting Russia were: Belarus, North Korea, Nicaragua, Russian Federation, Syria, and Irv.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Our resident fount of all wisdom.

He is our most erudite wordsmith.

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

I've seen how things get FDA approval up close. It sure ain't honest examination.

People and organizations with a financial interest to determine X almost always determine that X is true. People seem to be cognizant of this but nonetheless, over half the population will just agree to any appeal to institutional authority, and vigorously deny anything else, regardless of actual evidence or actually following the scientific method to arrive at truth. Most of the rest, like Irv, will disagree with anything these institutions and organizations proclaim because they have been caught lying an astounding number of times. Those who disbelieve the proclamations of government institutions are probably correct more than those that just believe whatever the state says (well, whatever the state says when it suits the party and that part of the state is run by affiliates of the party), but neither is reasonable. A claim to fact is true or not true based on truth itself, not who said it, which everyone knows but seems to always forget.

The Ivermectin theory didn't originate from the right; it first came from doctors essentially experimenting and reporting positive results. Essentially anecdotal 'my patients took it and had good outcomes' isn't actual proof, but it is often what leads to testing of existing medications for something else. The establishment quickly attacked it (as they attacked or ignored every option for Covid until the vaccine, which, ironically, it was the left who were the truthers at first because Bad Orange Man was President and appeared to see the 'vaccine' as the quickest way out of the mess) before any actual testing was done to see if the hypothesis was true. Thus the right started to run with it. When your industry is heavily invested in a narrative, it is usually career suicide to challenge said narrative. Once the issue becomes politicized, any chance of an honest investigation is DOA. We will never get an honest testing of the Ivermectin hypothesis, or a host of other things that cannot be honestly examined without risking throwing the party and their funding into trouble, as well as killing the careers of those doing the legwork that are supposed to prove X and not Y.

Well, some might have me mislabeled, including you, but, tbh, prior to this, I pretty much followed along too.

To me, however, this one was a no brainer that something was up, something just wasn't right.
First and foremost, (but not in any particular order) and not to continually repeat myself, it was a first time ever used, rushed through, experimental drug, for EUA only. That was flag #1.
Secondly, when in our lifetimes have we ever seen a vaccine/drug ever pushed on the people of the world like this one?
Event 201, Fauci stating Trump will experience a pandemic during his tenure, Dems stating they will not take the Trump vaccine then completely flipflopping then advocating them, pushing them as soon as Joe became President.
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity....ises/event201/
I could go on and on here but I haven't the energy nor the gumption/time currently but for those interested (I highly doubt it) my thoughts are spread throughout those other threads.

Not once have I claimed to be an intelligent person in these threads (there are many I don't hold a candle too, imo) but to me, which I am still struggling with, is how many didn't see these things, or if they did, despite them, freely took them anyways?

I don't necessarily blame nor mock anyone who did take the vaccines as they were tricked, lied to "sold" on them, peddled to them, used to coerce them, etc, but regarding those that still push and advocate them today, that is where it ends.
In my opinion, as there are zero excuse anymore not to see the things that have now come to light, are right before their eyes, those that still do, are in denial or suffer some kind of mental ailment.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by irv

Well, some might have me mislabeled, including you, but, tbh, prior to this, I pretty much followed along too.

To me, however, this one was a no brainer that something was up, something just wasn't right.
First and foremost, (but not in any particular order) and not to continually repeat myself, it was a first time ever used, rushed through, experimental drug, for EUA only. That was flag #1.
Secondly, when in our lifetimes have we ever seen a vaccine/drug ever pushed on the people of the world like this one?
Event 201, Fauci stating Trump will experience a pandemic during his tenure, Dems stating they will not take the Trump vaccine then completely flipflopping then advocating them, pushing them as soon as Joe became President.
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity....ises/event201/
I could go on and on here but I haven't the energy nor the gumption/time currently but for those interested (I highly doubt it) my thoughts are spread throughout those other threads.

Not once have I claimed to be an intelligent person in these threads (there are many I don't hold a candle too, imo) but to me, which I am still struggling with, is how many didn't see these things, or if they did, despite them, freely took them anyways?

I don't necessarily blame nor mock anyone who did take the vaccines as they were tricked, lied to "sold" on them, peddled to them, used to coerce them, etc, but regarding those that still push and advocate them today, that is where it ends.
In my opinion, as there are zero excuse anymore not to see the things that have now come to light, are right before their eyes, those that still do, are in denial or suffer some kind of mental ailment.

Just to be clear, I was speaking of the Ivermectin issue, where we disagree. I don't mean to mislabel your position, but my understanding is that I have no clue if it is good or not for this as there has not been honest testing of the hypothesis, whereas you believe that it is directly good.

We also disagree on the vaccine, I think. I am lumped into your camp on it because I am against it being mandatory and can see the data that it has little impact on the majority of the population and it undeniably does not do what it was said to do at all. It isn't an actual vaccine. I do think the data suggests it does have a small help in outcomes for people in the at-risk groups. I don't think the vaccine was malevolent and I have not seen compelling evidence that it is generally bad for ones health, beyond the normal that a very small number of people may have side affects. I understand your position to be that it is both malevolent and that it is damaging to ones health. We did agree on lockdowns.

I think we've actually disagreed in as many threads of this nature as we've agreed (we're lumped into one side because our positions do not reflect the approved narrative, and that is all that matters to the ideologues - you agree or disagree with the tribe, that is the end of labels); my criteria is a testing of premises and hypotheses while yours, I gather, is to distrust a claim from institutions. I have always appreciated that we have politely disagreed on some things and agreed on others (like the gun issue, and lockdowns). They struggle to do anything but the ad hominem, which I have never once got from you, the only active person in all these threads I would describe as actually conservative. I do get some amusement from the tantrums you elicit from them by presenting a similar reasoning (rooted in who made a claim), but just the inverse view.

My claim is to stupidity and ignorance. Recognizing a contradiction or applying the Aristotelian is not a sign of intelligence beyond a most basic, daily functioning form. I would say an intelligent man is one who comes to original conclusion or knowledge that survive critical examination and are reasoned. I see no sign of one hereabouts

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That was the Department Of Energy, there are 213 current Representatives and 51 current Senators who wouldn’t do that if you put a gun to their heads regardless of what evidence you presented to them.

Sorry, my mistake posting some 'fake news'. Thanks for the correction. Now I feel like the MSM, lol. I should have said I got it from an 'anonymous source'.