Red Sun - Is it really a Louisiana exclusive?

G1911 · #1 03-05-2023, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

Okay, I'm wading in here with little to no knowledge. The back of my card says "Made In New Orleans" and "Baseball Players Southern Association First Series 1 To 75 Factory No. 3, Dist of La." There is no mention whatsoever of New York on the card, however, according to what little I can find on line, there are only a couple of packs that have ever come to light, and they show "Universal Tobacco Company" and New York. Here is a link to an auction from some time ago:

http://www.baseballandtobacco.com/t211.htm

Also, here are crappy photos of my lone Red Sun card of Babb. The green border is cracking and chipped off in several areas, worst upper right corner, and is no doubt trimmed but otherwise is decent. And a comparison better quality Red Sun back.

Edit: I am probably wrong, but I think the New Orleans Red Sun and the New York Red Sun are two different entities. Why, indeed, would someone outside the Southern Association region give a hoot about these teams?

It�s the same brand. We traced their ownership and acquisition by the ATC alongside the Sovereign brand and others. Universal previously owned the brand registration.

The factory line does not mean a card was distributed there - that�s the manufacturing and packing facility. For example, Piedmont cards carry a Virginia factory, they were not issued exclusively in Virginia though. The brand being stocked in New York stores wouldn�t be reflected on the cigarette pack for any brand - the factory is manufacture not end area of distribution. Many brands are packed out at one facility and shipped all over many states at this time.

Why would a person care about a minor league T206 card outside of that teams area? Or even a distant major league club? It�s entirely possible that this release is a southern limited release. There seems to be some evidence Red Sun is not a Louisiana regional brand. That doesn�t dictate the cards aren�t regional. They still could be, which is what I�m seeking - what is the evidentiary basis, if there is one, for Louisiana exclusive distribution? Even if it is regional it might be a much larger region than is typically stated.

Nice Babb - I don�t have any T211�s.

Vintagecatcher · #2 03-05-2023, 04:05 PM

Advertising for Red Sun Cigarettes can also be found on S74-1 white silks.

It is one of the rarer advertising backs in the S74-1 set.

Patrick

G1911 · #3 03-05-2023, 10:59 PM

They survived until at least late 1919. Here's a registration renewal from the Official Gazette of the United States Patent Office, found in vol. 274.

Note that use is claimed since 1903 - same brand as the once-Universal brand.

Leon · #4 03-06-2023, 07:51 AM

As a "back of the card" collector, I like them...

tedzan · #5 03-06-2023, 09:40 AM

Hi Leon....I like them, too.

Here is my Ed Greminger run.

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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G1911 · #6 03-15-2023, 06:40 PM

Here's some of the "puglistic" subjects. Someone at ALC or Brett or whoever wasn't a good speller.

Some of the boxers are evidently short printed. The 1908 date placed on them is another hobby fiction. They are almost certainly Q2 1910 or later.

The two cards of Mike and Jack Sullivan, twins, use the same exact photograph cropped differently. I'm 90% sure it's actually Jack on both cards.

gabrinus · #7 03-15-2023, 08:01 PM

That's cool Greg...Jerry

jingram058 · #8 03-16-2023, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911

Here's some of the "puglistic" subjects. Someone at ALC or Brett or whoever wasn't a good speller.

Some of the boxers are evidently short printed. The 1908 date placed on them is another hobby fiction. They are almost certainly Q2 1910 or later.

The two cards of Mike and Jack Sullivan, twins, use the same exact photograph cropped differently. I'm 90% sure it's actually Jack on both cards.

Pretty amazing collection!

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that I have seen way more Red Sun pugilists than ballplayers.

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