$117K SGC 8.5 DiMaggio WWG trimmed heavily, previously an SGC 6

G1911 · #1 03-08-2023, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

the elite card doctor

The worst part is that it isn't even elite doctoring. Even I have a hard time blaming PSA for some of the micro trimming passing through on modern - such a tiny, tiny sliver is so carefully cut and the edges are so fresh that almost no one can tell without deep dives into a cards prior scans. But we see time and time again you can just lop off giant chunks of old cards and eventually PSA will pass it.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 03-08-2023, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

The worst part is that it isn't even elite doctoring. Even I have a hard time blaming PSA for some of the micro trimming passing through on modern - such a tiny, tiny sliver is so carefully cut and the edges are so fresh that almost no one can tell without deep dives into a cards prior scans. But we see time and time again you can just lop off giant chunks of old cards and eventually PSA will pass it.

This is how the hobby works. Card doctors alter cards. TPGs grade many of those cards, sometimes they're fooled, sometimes it's something else. And most auction houses will accept those cards even knowing the reputation of the consignor. Just how it is. Only law enforcement has a chance of making a dent. As the song from Evita goes, the money keeps rolling in.

G1911 · #3 03-08-2023, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is how the hobby works. Card doctors alter cards. TPGs grade many of those cards, sometimes they're fooled, sometimes it's something else. And most auction houses will accept those cards even knowing the reputation of the consignor. Just how it is. Only law enforcement has a chance of making a dent. As the song from Evita goes, the money keeps rolling in.

I agree, but I just wish that they would at least put in a little effort in making it less obvious. Treat it with some discretion. If you're going to scam people and commit fraud, at least don't be transparent about it. If you're posing as a competent authenticator, at least don't certify the really, really obvious and poorly executed frauds. Have some standards, you know?

Peter_Spaeth · #4 03-08-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I agree, but I just wish that they would at least put in a little effort in making it less obvious. Treat it with some discretion. If you're going to scam people and commit fraud, at least don't be transparent about it. If you're posing as a competent authenticator, at least don't certify the really, really obvious and poorly executed frauds. Have some standards, you know?

They're so emboldened because they know there's no consequence. So many of these people have become wealthy doing this.

Seven · #5 03-09-2023, 10:02 AM

It's terrible that there are zero consequences to this. Trimming has become so prevalent within the hobby. It's important for us to remain vigilant when it comes to purchasing, especially high graded vintage cards. I don't run into this too often, as most of the things I purchase are lower in grade, but it has an effect on the market. The higher the grade, the higher the prices, and thus the same card in worse condition ends up going up in price. But as long as the companies keep slabbing, and ebay/auction houses, allow it to happen, nothing will be done.

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