Hey, pennant guys

ooo-ribay · #1 03-21-2023, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Wow, what a beauty! And yes, where are the Yalies who should die to have this hanging in their law office? I picked this one up for $20, the only one going for it, and I had to wonder where all the other other Amherst football players were. Ever seen another of these, Rob?

An Amherst nodder just sold in the last nodderexchange auction for $3791

It was basically just just any other college nodder but with an �Amherst� decal.

Hankphenom · #2 03-21-2023, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

An Amherst nodder just sold in the last nodderexchange auction for $3791

It was basically just just any other college nodder but with an �Amherst� decal.

Incredible! Was it a football player? I couldn't find it on the site, but they don't have pictures of the auction listings anyway. That's mind-boggling.

Fballguy · #3 03-21-2023, 08:58 PM

Run of the mill 1970s Double Bar Saints pennant but in it's original packaging.

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"APSCO"

What is APSCO? Did ASCO become APSCO? Google APSCO now and you get hydraulic valve actuators.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30485127452...mis&media=COPY

ooo-ribay · #4 03-21-2023, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

Run of the mill 1970s Double Bar Saints pennant but in it's original packaging.

Drumroll for the maker...

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"APSCO"

What is APSCO? Did ASCO become APSCO?

�Ideal for decorating Bar Mitzvah occasions.�

Hankphenom · #5 03-22-2023, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

�Ideal for decorating Bar Mitzvah occasions.�

Too funny!

Domer05 · #6 03-21-2023, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

What is APSCO? Did ASCO become APSCO? Google APSCO now and you get hydraulic valve actuators.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30485127452...mis&media=COPY

I think we covered APSCO a few hundred pages ago on this thread ... maybe.

So these guys are actually still in business, today; still located in Brooklyn; and, still in the screen printing business (among other things). See: https://www.apscoenterprises.com/

Their company opened in 1979, per their site. Doesn't look like they make pennants--if they do, they don't seem to have any lucrative licenses from any of the big leagues to use their marks.

I have about 5-6 pictures of pennants in their APSCO packaging, identical to this one. Still not sure why they were branded, "PENNANT POST." (What does that even mean?) All MLB and NFL pennants from the late 1970s/early 1980s, including cheap reproductions of classic Trench designs from the 1950s. When I interviewed Mr. Storm (longtime Trench owner/president) I asked him about APSCO; and I think he indicated they were a Trench "distributor." I don't recall him being dead certain of this; but, we've got strong evidence that the two and single bar helmet pennant series were all made by Trench, so I'm inclined to believe him.

Here's a Steelers double bar helmet pennant in original APSCO packaging; with a JC Penny price tag still attached. APSCO must've specialized in department stores, so that may explain why Trench (a wholesale manufacturer that sold directly to stadium concessionaires) needed the help of a middle man to help tap into that type of retail market; and, why their pennants required a sealed packaging--something you'd never see at the ballpark.

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Hankphenom · #7 03-22-2023, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

Run of the mill 1970s Double Bar Saints pennant but in it's original packaging. "APSCO"What is APSCO? Did ASCO become APSCO? Google APSCO now and you get hydraulic valve actuators.

Fantastic!

ooo-ribay · #8 03-21-2023, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Incredible! Was it a football player? I couldn't find it on the site, but they don't have pictures of the auction listings anyway. That's mind-boggling.

#28 on this page (scroll down). No picture. Yes, just your basic 1960�s football nodder.

http://www.nodderexchange.com/

Hankphenom · #9 03-22-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

#28 on this page (scroll down). No picture. Yes, just your basic 1960�s football nodder.

Thanks, Rob. How do you know without a pic? Or is the description--baggy shirt, toes up--that of a standard 60s football nodder? Can you shoot me or direct me to a pic of that style? On another "oddball" front, has anybody ever catalogued kewpie dolls like the one pictured alongside my Amherst pennant? Although the accompanying pins were more or less separate--hung around their necks or pinned to the body--their colors mark them as distinctive to the entity represented by the pins. In other words, the colors of mine are the Amherst purple and white, perhaps faded a bit, and I think the other kewpies I've seen are also particular to the colleges or pro teams of the pins. Not as nice or as collectible as bobbin heads, to be sure, but still vintage and seriously collectible, I would think. Just wondering if anybody has ever paid any real attention to them that you know of?

ooo-ribay · #10 03-22-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Thanks, Rob. How do you know without a pic? Or is the description--baggy shirt, toes up--that of a standard 60s football nodder? Can you shoot me or direct me to a pic of that style? On another "oddball" front, has anybody ever catalogued kewpie dolls like the one pictured alongside my Amherst pennant? Although the accompanying pins were more or less separate--hung around their necks or pinned to the body--their colors mark them as distinctive to the entity represented by the pins. In other words, the colors of mine are the Amherst purple and white, perhaps faded a bit, and I think the other kewpies I've seen are also particular to the colleges or pro teams of the pins. Not as nice or as collectible as bobbin heads, to be sure, but still vintage and seriously collectible, I would think. Just wondering if anybody has ever paid any real attention to them that you know of?

Shoot John Brey an email. He can probably provide you a pic.

I have a bunch of those �kewpie dolls.� Some are done in Giants colors; others were not. Some have �Giants� stenciled on the chest, others don�t. They�re pretty fragile, in that the celluloid can be easily crushed.

Hankphenom · #11 03-22-2023, 12:45 PM

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I have a bunch of those �kewpie dolls.� Some are done in Giants colors; others were not. Some have �Giants� stenciled on the chest, others don�t. They�re pretty fragile, in that the celluloid can be easily crushed.

Did your kewpies come with pins?

perezfan · #12 03-22-2023, 01:46 PM

Rob, you should start a thread called "Hey Kewpie Guys"...

You might even get responses into the double-digits.

Seriously though, they are pretty cool, and really undervalued. I guess very few people collect them. Seems like a small percentage have survived with their heads un-cracked/un-chipped. I gave up on finding a clean intact Reds Kewpie a while back.

effe · #13 03-22-2023, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

#28 on this page (scroll down). No picture. Yes, just your basic 1960�s football nodder.

http://www.nodderexchange.com/

ooo-ribay · #14 03-22-2023, 05:42 PM

Greg has got to be pulling his hair out...

Here's my last word on "kewpie dolls" (at least in this thread).... I think the ones you would want are the ones that came with the pins. There were definitely dolls and pins put together later. My "best' dolls have a crude SF on the cap, "Giants" stenciled on the chest and are of the proper black and orange color scheme. I think the "right" ones (as shown in this picture from a 1964 merchandise mailer) have a doubled up ribbon, held in place by the pinback's pin, which is looped through an elastic band around the doll's neck.

P.S. sure wish I had a dozen of those "correct signature" Mays nodders, at a buck and a half apiece.

Hankphenom · #15 03-23-2023, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Greg has got to be pulling his hair out...

Here's my last word on "kewpie dolls" (at least in this thread).... I think the ones you would want are the ones that came with the pins. There were definitely dolls and pins put together later. My "best' dolls have a crude SF on the cap, "Giants" stenciled on the chest and are of the proper black and orange color scheme. I think the "right" ones (as shown in this picture from a 1964 merchandise mailer) have a doubled up ribbon, held in place by the pinback's pin, which is looped through an elastic band around the doll's neck. P.S. sure wish I had a dozen of those "correct signature" Mays nodders, at a buck and a half apiece.

No kidding! Whose mailer is that? And that's exactly how my Amherst kewpie was when I bought it from Rick, so that seems to be the "standard" issue of origin. No doubt secondary dealers later made their own configurations with a team or college pin to enhance the value of kewpies on their own without one, but it might also be the case that virtually all these dolls came with pins and ribbons originally and had the right color scheme to represent the team or college named on the pin. They are so rare I guess nobody will ever bother to try to catalogue them, but I find them almost as appealing as the nodders, perhaps even more so due to that very rarity.

Hankphenom · #16 03-23-2023, 10:08 AM

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Thanks! I wonder if that's a record price for a standard size nodder?

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