1952 Topps Images of All Variations <Rolling Thread>

Republicaninmass · #1 03-30-2023, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Thanks Ted. You probably know more about this set than anyone

Aw shucks thank you! Information has been borrowed, but pretty sure I was one of the first to look woth the magnifying glass and pick out the red was stoned off the mask deliberately. Also, the gray back, having either pale yellow or with no variant sums up a few important notes: (for me at least)

1. Grays for some reason were printed first,

2. Somewhere along the line the printer saw the tiger logo and began removing the red mask on others to make them all match. Shortly after they were both matched. Not sure if a new doe had to be made or what have you.

Steveb knows more about printing, but my guess it was cheaper/faster to stone off the red off slowly on the 2 other printed on the sheet, rather than remask/change template and print the red on the yellow tiger.

Zach Wheat · #2 03-30-2023, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

....pretty sure I was one of the first to look woth the magnifying glass and pick out the red was stoned off the mask deliberately. Also, the gray back, having either pale yellow or with no variant sums up a few important notes: (for me at least)

1. Grays for some reason were printed first,

2. Somewhere along the line the printer saw the tiger logo and began removing the red mask on others to make them all match. Shortly after they were both matched. Not sure if a new doe had to be made or what have you.

Steveb knows more about printing, but my guess it was cheaper/faster to stone off the red off slowly on the 2 other printed on the sheet, rather than remask/change template and print the red on the yellow tiger.

Interesting....what led you to conclude the gray backs (Mid-series - #131-190) were printed first? Also, did "...removing the mask" slowly occur with other cards?

There are other cards that seem to have different gradations of color in their variations. Common examples not posted yet include say the Kretlow (#42) which has a yellow and peach background on the black back variation. Same with Scarborough (#43) on both black and red back variations.

irv · #3 03-30-2023, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Interesting....what led you to conclude the gray backs (Mid-series - #131-190) were printed first? Also, did "...removing the mask" slowly occur with other cards?

There are other cards that seem to have different gradations of color in their variations. Common examples not posted yet include say the Kretlow (#42) which has a yellow and peach background on the black back variation. Same with Scarborough (#43) on both black and red back variations.

Zach, you need to re-edit your first post. The Wilson is card #327.
Also, as noted in the H&S link Al once provided, Kretlow has 3 total variations. Yellow, Peach and also Orange, but the orange is on the red back cards.
Also, Ray Boone has 3 different front colors. A darker brownish if you will compared to the red back version but also a lime green front on the other black back.
I'm trying hard to find that fingerprint variation that Ted mentioned but I'm having a difficult time. I believe, IIRC, that was mentioned/shown in the 52 Topps thread? I thought it was Kuzuva, personally, but Ted would definitely know better than me.

Zach Wheat · #4 03-30-2023, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

Zach, you need to re-edit your first post. The Wilson is card #327.
Also, as noted in the H&S link Al once provided, Kretlow has 3 total variations. Yellow, Peach and also Orange, but the orange is on the red back cards.
Also, Ray Boone has 3 different front colors. A darker brownish if you will compared to the red back version but also a lime green front on the other black back...

Changed Wilson to #327. Re: Kretlow, I think we are saying the same thing. The variations occur on the black back cards (yellow and peach) and as you noted red is one color. Regarding Boone, on my master list, I have a total of 4 cards - on both red & black back - they each have a light & dark olive background. I will have to add Scarborough with pics

irv · #5 03-30-2023, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Changed Wilson to #327. Re: Kretlow, I think we are saying the same thing. The variations occur on the black back cards (yellow and peach) and as you noted red is one color. Regarding Boone, on my master list, I have a total of 4 cards - on both red & black back - they each have a light & dark olive background. I will have to add Scarborough with pics

Ok, understood.

Zach Wheat · #6 03-31-2023, 08:32 AM

#200 Ralph Houk - dark pink background, red facial tint & #200 Houk with a light pink background, normal tint

irv · #7 04-01-2023, 07:13 AM

The H&S link Al had posted in the 52 Topps pic thread.
http://aug13.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=59354
And the link within the link to show the variations that were included with the sold set.
http://aug13.hugginsandscott.com/pdf/1952_topps.pdf

Republicaninmass · #8 03-30-2023, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Interesting....what led you to conclude the gray backs (Mid-series - #131-190) were printed first? Also, did "...removing the mask" slowly occur with other cards?

The yellow tiger with no green throat was deliberate. No way they changed that after the presses started. Gray back yellow is likley the first few print runs.

I'm not sure if it occurred with any others, though the "fixed " Frank campos partial border looked like it may have had some work done. How can one tell the fixed copy? I'll let that for a little while

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There are other cards that seem to have different gradations of color in their variations. Common examples not posted yet include say the Kretlow (#42) which has a yellow and peach background on the black back variation. Same with Scarborough (#43) on both black and red back ]

Yes I'm familiar, but I think it was likley different inks

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