Would you take this deal?

whiteymet · #1 03-31-2023, 11:00 AM

If you are a COLLECTOR If I don't need the $$$ I hold on to my crown jewel.

Should things change down the road where you need money, which in your described position does not seem to be expected, you will still have the highest graded card which over the years should, as history has shown, increase even more in value.

But then you will have even MORE taxes to pay down the road when you sell it!

raulus · #2 03-31-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by whiteymet

If you are a COLLECTOR If I don't need the $$$ I hold on to my crown jewel.

Should things change down the road where you need money, which in your described position does not seem to be expected, you will still have the highest graded card which over the years should, as history has shown, increase even more in value.

But then you will have even MORE taxes to pay down the road when you sell it!

HA. Thanks Fred. You're right that I don't need the cash. And I need it even less if I'm just turning around and giving it to the tax man.

One potential saving grace when I do sell is that I can first move to a state with no state income tax, thereby saving myself the 9% that I would otherwise have to pay if I sell whilst living here in the great state of Oregon.

Of course, there's always the real possibility that federal income taxes will rise in the next few decades, thereby offsetting some or all of the savings that I might otherwise enjoy by moving to another state with zero income tax.

And there's also the possibility that states like Oregon will enact some of the exit taxes that they've been threatening to levy. When you move out of a high tax state to a low tax state, the general concept is that they tax you on everything you own that has appreciated while you've lived in the high tax state. That way you can't just move to another state and sell it without paying the old state. I know that it's been proposed in a few states, but to my knowledge hasn't been implemented just yet.

BobbyStrawberry · #3 03-31-2023, 12:10 PM

" A close inspection of these two items suggests that they are very similar in quality. Some might even argue that the lower graded piece is as nice as the highest graded piece"

If YOU would argue this, then I say: do it!

Exhibitman · #4 03-31-2023, 01:02 PM

One of the reasons I operate an actual card/collectibles business with a resale permit and Schedule C filing every year is so I don't have to get into this "collection-investment" quagmire. I sell it through the business at the cost basis I paid for it. No games, no nonsense. I take my hits on profits, and offset it with whatever losses. If a taxing entity wants to challenge my status, bring it. I have an unlimited budget for litigating.

I know the tax jocks outweigh my puny lawyering understanding, but if it was my deal, I'd keep it simple and clean: sell the item for an agreed price and purchase the other one for an agreed price. Put it in writing, and pay whatever taxes are due on the profit. Not worth your ticket to play around. Mechanically, you can do it as a trade with cash boot, but contractually, just make it two sales.

Now, as far as whether I would make the trade, probably not under the scenario laid out. If I care about the registry and I don't want to eat a ton of taxes, it isn't worth it to me. The fact that Nicolo (forgive the 3rd person usage) has trepidations about it to the point of posting it here tells me that he doesn't really want to do the deal anyway. I am the same way. If you want one of my Maltese Falcons, the price is going to be stroke-inducing to make it worth my while, and if I feel bad about it, nope. Life's too short for regretting a card deal.

raulus · #5 03-31-2023, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The fact that Nicolo (forgive the 3rd person usage) has trepidations about it to the point of posting it here tells me that he doesn't really want to do the deal anyway. I am the same way. If you want one of my Maltese Falcons, the price is going to be stroke-inducing to make it worth my while, and if I feel bad about it, nope. Life's too short for regretting a card deal.

Honestly, my motivation was mostly to give us something else to think about and to talk about. Plus I figured I would learn a few things from my fellow collectors, which I definitely have.

It's a chat board, after all!

Almost as soon as it was proposed, the hypothetical deal was withdrawn by the counterparty. As a result, I didn't have much of a chance to really get deep into an exercise in omphaloskepsis.

And I suppose if I'm being honest, my penchant for voyeurism and over-sharing needs an outlet somewhere. Since I'm not on any social media channel, this is kind of the only club that will put up with my lunacy.

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