All I see is TRIM!!!!!!!

jchcollins · #1 04-20-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scocs

I know things have been sketchy in the past, but based on serial numbers, this is a newly graded card (sometime in 2022). I have to believe that under the current scrutiny, graders are under enormous pressure to measure cards precisely.

I don't believe that for a second. They've never measured "precisely", and are not going to start now. How many times has the same card been at various points a Minsize, sent back as trimmed, AND resided in a PSA 6 holder? This kind of thing in the past and the revenue that PSA generates from people continuing to crack and resub is not something they are going to give up in the name of being more accurate. The large majority of their customer base has proven time and time again that they simply don't care, as long as their cards eventually make it into nice, numbered holders.

JollyElm · #2 04-20-2023, 05:00 PM

It's really quite simple, actually. Pictured on the left is the card a 'regular' collector sent in to be graded. On the right is the card a 'preferred' submitter sent in...

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BobbyStrawberry · #3 04-20-2023, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jollyelm

it's really quite simple, actually. Pictured on the left is the card a 'regular' collector sent in to be graded. On the right is the card a 'preferred' submitter sent in...

lol

Leon · #4 04-23-2023, 05:12 PM

+1

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I don't believe that for a second. They've never measured "precisely", and are not going to start now. How many times has the same card been at various points a Minsize, sent back as trimmed, AND resided in a PSA 6 holder? This kind of thing in the past and the revenue that PSA generates from people continuing to crack and resub is not something they are going to give up in the name of being more accurate. The large majority of their customer base has proven time and time again that they simply don't care, as long as their cards eventually make it into nice, numbered holders.

Fred · #5 04-23-2023, 07:53 PM

Anybody want to bet that the ratio of the following is very lopsided?

High graded (razor sharp corners) that are "undersized"

VS

High graded (razor sharp corners) that are "oversized"

I continue to read posters saying that card sizes vary. I get that, but why is it that TPGs have probably graded MORE undersized cards with razor sharp corners than oversized cards?

Are we to believe that if card sizes do vary, that most of the cards will be "undersized" than "oversized"? Why is it that there are more "undersized" cards than "oversized" cards if we are to believe that cards vary in size?

Take a stack of just about ANY year card from the 50s going forward (heck, I'd even go back to Playballs or earlier) and I bet MOST will all be about the same size (within 1/32" or tighter).

How many different size holders does PSA have for Topps cards 1957 and later? I'm going to guess there's probably a basic standard holder for those cards and if you look at many of the cards with razor sharp corners, there's a bit more room between the plastic indents that hold the card in place.

Bigdaddy · #6 04-23-2023, 08:37 PM

Fred, its simple. If you have a random assortment of cards in a stack, the oversized cards will get the most wear and protect the undersized cards from having their razor sharp corners worn down.

Now doesn't that explain everything??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred

Anybody want to bet that the ratio of the following is very lopsided?

High graded (razor sharp corners) that are "undersized"

VS

High graded (razor sharp corners) that are "oversized"

I continue to read posters saying that card sizes vary. I get that, but why is it that TPGs have probably graded MORE undersized cards with razor sharp corners than oversized cards?

Are we to believe that if card sizes do vary, that most of the cards will be "undersized" than "oversized"? Why is it that there are more "undersized" cards than "oversized" cards if we are to believe that cards vary in size?

Take a stack of just about ANY year card from the 50s going forward (heck, I'd even go back to Playballs or earlier) and I bet MOST will all be about the same size (within 1/32" or tighter).

How many different size holders does PSA have for Topps cards 1957 and later? I'm going to guess there's probably a basic standard holder for those cards and if you look at many of the cards with razor sharp corners, there's a bit more room between the plastic indents that hold the card in place.

Leon · #7 04-27-2023, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred

Anybody want to bet that the ratio of the following is very lopsided?

High graded (razor sharp corners) that are "undersized"

VS

High graded (razor sharp corners) that are "oversized"

I continue to read posters saying that card sizes vary. I get that, but why is it that TPGs have probably graded MORE undersized cards with razor sharp corners than oversized cards?

Are we to believe that if card sizes do vary, that most of the cards will be "undersized" than "oversized"? Why is it that there are more "undersized" cards than "oversized" cards if we are to believe that cards vary in size?

Take a stack of just about ANY year card from the 50s going forward (heck, I'd even go back to Playballs or earlier) and I bet MOST will all be about the same size (within 1/32" or tighter).

How many different size holders does PSA have for Topps cards 1957 and later? I'm going to guess there's probably a basic standard holder for those cards and if you look at many of the cards with razor sharp corners, there's a bit more room between the plastic indents that hold the card in place.

That is because there are less oversized cards due to the fact they have been trimmed down.

As I have mentioned, this could be a 9 in the wrong hands!@

swarmee · #8 04-23-2023, 07:56 PM

It's trimmed. Cards in the 1960s were not laser cut; they have some minor rough cut if they're natural.

Popcorn · #9 04-23-2023, 08:05 PM

to me a 6-7 is a vintage mint pack pulled card, anything over is suspect lol no cards come from a wrapped pack with out flaws.

jchcollins · #10 05-06-2023, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Popcorn

to me a 6-7 is a vintage mint pack pulled card, anything over is suspect lol no cards come from a wrapped pack with out flaws.

This is a very good point. Especially considering how many 6-7 slabbed cards today would have been considered "mint" no questions asked in the mid-1980's and earlier.

The scrutiny applied to grade a vintage card an 8 or higher today would have been seen as unrealistic only a few decades ago. To me this is a huge part of the consistency problem with third party grading. They don't change the written standards, but they bump up the unsaid subjective needle to where today's 4 is yesterday's 5 or 6, and get away with it.

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