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Old 04-29-2023, 02:22 PM
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It’s things like this clip pretty much bashing calling PSA out that assure we aren't going to be getting anything higher then a 7 on Pre 1960’s cards. This video plays a part in us getting hammered on Grades.
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Guess psa and himself aren't pals anymore. Seems like a guy who wouldn't last a minute in the old neighborhood without an elder giving him "one off the head"
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It’s things like this clip pretty much basing calling PSA out that assure we aren't going to be getting anything higher then a 7 on Pre 1960’s cards. This video plays a part in us getting hammered on Grades.
Ya, there's no such thing as a gem mint vintage card. If you think you found one, you've probably been duped.
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Old 04-29-2023, 03:05 PM
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LOL the hobby is a mess right now. Time to play Zevon's lawyers, guns and money.
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LOL the hobby is a mess right now. Time to play Zevon's lawyers, guns and money.
I think the hobby has been littered with people altering cards more than just right now. Do you think it's more of a mess these days or just more in our face w/the information we get today versus, say, 30 years ago?
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I think the hobby has been littered with people altering cards more than just right now. Do you think it's more of a mess these days or just more in our face w/the information we get today versus, say, 30 years ago?
Altered cards are only part of the mess right now. I agree they have always been a problem, but the failure of law enforcement to do anything about it does to me raise it to a new level of concern. But I am also referring to all the craziness of the modern market, the influencers and pumpers, the vaults, the museum pricing on fixed price sites, the social media idiocy, the youtube videos, all of it LOL.
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I feel every day that goes by brings more uncertainty to collectors' and investors' minds about PWCC’s business practices it’s beginning to pile up massively.
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Altered cards are only part of the mess right now. I agree they have always been a problem, but the failure of law enforcement to do anything about it does to me raise it to a new level of concern. But I am also referring to all the craziness of the modern market, the influencers and pumpers, the vaults, the museum pricing on fixed price sites, the social media idiocy, the youtube videos, all of it LOL.
The concern I have for pwcc is how many collectors have moved their cards from their platform. I know several that have and I envision many more will follow. Too many other options out there.
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….. I agree they have always been a problem, but the failure of law enforcement to do anything about it does to me raise it to a new level of concern…..
What would you like law enforcement to do?

Guy buys oversized card, trims it to an accepted industry size , gets it graded, sells it. Where is the crime?

Did any of the sale ads say it was or wasn’t altered?
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The best plot twist in this entire saga so far, for me, is learning that the SCR clown who shits on PWCC daily, calling anyone and everyone who deals with them unethical, actually had cards in the PWCC Vault himself. LO f***ing L

This guy should run for office somewhere.
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The best plot twist in this entire saga so far, for me, is learning that the SCR clown who shits on PWCC daily, calling anyone and everyone who deals with them unethical, actually had cards in the PWCC Vault himself. LO f***ing L

This guy should run for office somewhere.
Exactly.

I feel he is using their platform to buy and sell flipping cheapo cards through their vault for low fees/costs to prove a point that he and others can easily score making money on the ease and cheap on them avoiding shipping fees etc. He does the same poking fun at PWCC’s Vault Services as he does with Goldins Vault….it’s all about attention. It's comical all the way around.
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The best plot twist in this entire saga so far, for me, is learning that the SCR clown who shits on PWCC daily, calling anyone and everyone who deals with them unethical, actually had cards in the PWCC Vault himself. LO f***ing L

This guy should run for office somewhere.
Definitely caught me off guard when he said that. Just a wee bit hypocritical.
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Ya, there's no such thing as a gem mint vintage card. If you think you found one, you've probably been duped.

Black Swamp Find?
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I’ve got my doubts about the Black Swamp find.
Wasn't the provenance pretty good? I forget the details now. I do recall some people being pissed when the family/Heritage held back huge numbers of them and later flooded the market, if I am remembering that part of it correctly.
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I’ve got my doubts about the Black Swamp find.
A separate thread entirely, I just don't get the appeal of an uncirculated 110 year old card in gem mint condition. Much like the Tango Eggs find, they should trade at a discount to to the "real" thing.
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A separate thread entirely, I just don't get the appeal of an uncirculated 110 year old card in gem mint condition. Much like the Tango Eggs find, they should trade at a discount to to the "real" thing.
Are you saying the cards in those finds were not legit?
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Are you saying the cards in those finds were not legit?
I have no idea whether they were legit or not, they have no appeal to me and just look odd in gem mint condition. The appeal of a pre-war card to me is the journey they have been on for over a century, give me a card that shows signs of use and no doctoring any day of the week.
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