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Old 05-03-2023, 12:41 PM
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Are you reading some press account? The plea agreement sets forth what he was charged with and pled guilty to. It's right there. He was charged with it (see also indictment) and pled guilty to it. Do you think he admitted it just for the hell of it?
It may have been part of the plea deal to admit that piece, I don't know.

The charge is mail fraud, which he plead to. I believe that ties to the shill bidding, not the card altering.
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Old 05-03-2023, 12:42 PM
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It may have been part of the plea deal to admit that piece, I don't know.

The charge is mail fraud, which he plead to. I believe that ties to the shill bidding, not the card altering.
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about at this point, honestly. None. You should stop. The mail fraud charges include the Wagner, I assure you. They're in the indictment and they're in the plea agreement. You might be on more solid footing arguing the earth is flat.
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You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about at this point, honestly. None. You should stop. The mail fraud charges include the Wagner, I assure you. They're in the indictment and they're in the plea agreement. You might be on more solid footing arguing the earth is flat.
Wait. The earth isn’t flat?!?! My feelings are that it is flat and thus it is; there is no objective discernible reality outside of my narrative.


I understand not caring personally if a card is trimmed. I understand doing business with crooks. I understand being unable to follow what the laws are and being too stupid to recognize a claim is false. But I will never understand why some people simp so hard and so often for a company that doesn’t have them on payroll.
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A trimmer could sell a card to someone and inform them that the card has been trimmed. The buyer could then send the card in for grading with a sticky note attached that reads, "I was told this card was trimmed when I bought it" and it wouldn't make one bit of difference. The grader is going to completely disregard the sticky note and will ultimately make their determination based on the observable evidence of the card itself.
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