Card doctoring video

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Read this very thread re Bill Mastro.

Ok…Please show me where Mr Mastro was convicted of card trimming. Was there a plea bargain? Trial? It was explicitly for trimming a card that he trimmed and sold for profit?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

Ok…Please show me where Mr Mastro was convicted of card trimming. Was there a plea bargain? Trial? It was explicitly for trimming a card that he trimmed and sold for profit?

If you read the thread you would see there was a plea bargain. I'm not doing your reading for you. Pathetic. First one guy in the face of all the evidence says he still doesn't believe it, now another guy refuses to even read. This is absurd, I am not wasting any more effort here.

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you read the thread you would see there was a plea bargain. I'm not doing your reading for you. Pathetic. First one guy in the face of all the evidence says he still doesn't believe it, now another guy refuses to even read. This is absurd, I am not wasting any more effort here.

Link?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

Link?

Read THIS thread above. It's right there. Come on, you cannot be that helplesss.

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Read THIS thread above. It's right there. Come on, you cannot be that helplesss.

Yes I am. Mr Mastro was convicted, best I can tell, of shilling….but you already know that.

….since everyone seems to be butthurt I’ll just move along…..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

Yes I am. Mr Mastro was convicted, best I can tell, of shilling….but you already know that.

….since everyone seems to be butthurt I’ll just move along…..

Read the indictment and the plea bargain. It's not an either or.

[G1911]

I see we’ve fully cleared the stage where the pro-fraud wing of the hobby alleges it didn’t happen and are deep into the stage where they insist that concealing material information of alteration in a sale is not fraud nor ethically wrong, contrary to the law, common sense, and principle. I can never determine if IQ’s or moral compasses are lower.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I see we’ve fully cleared the stage where the pro-fraud wing of the hobby alleges it didn’t happen and are deep into the stage where they insist that concealing material information of alteration in a sale is not fraud nor ethically wrong, contrary to the law, common sense, and principle. I can never determine if IQ’s or moral compasses are lower.

Based on the last few posts I would say IQ.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by G1911

I see we’ve fully cleared the stage where the pro-fraud wing of the hobby alleges it didn’t happen and are deep into the stage where they insist that concealing material information of alteration in a sale is not fraud nor ethically wrong, contrary to the law, common sense, and principle. I can never determine if IQ’s or moral compasses are lower.

I believe that is (what I have just named) an Escher Dilemma.

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[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

Yes I am. Mr Mastro was convicted, best I can tell, of shilling….but you already know that.

….since everyone seems to be butthurt I’ll just move along…..

This is a forum with the most knowledgeable pre and post war members, so you will get a little push back on the gray area semantic bullshit. Nobody here likes altered cards, they're not honest and if I've learned anything here is that honesty, integrity, and transparency still mean something.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you read the thread you would see there was a plea bargain. I'm not doing your reading for you. Pathetic. First one guy in the face of all the evidence says he still doesn't believe it, now another guy refuses to even read. This is absurd, I am not wasting any more effort here.

Peter, you may find this hard to believe, but there are actually people in this world that disagree with your opinion.

The headline of the case was the admission of trimming but the mail fraud is entirely tied to the shill bidding. And for those that disagree, fine. But my question for you is this… if there was no shill bidding and just the trimming, does this case result in a plea deal?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Peter, you may find this hard to believe, but there are actually people in this world that disagree with your opinion.

The headline of the case was the admission of trimming but the mail fraud is entirely tied to the shill bidding. And for those that disagree, fine. But my question for you is this… if there was no shill bidding and just the trimming, does this case result in a plea deal?

It's not an opinion, it's right there in the documents.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's not my opinion, it's right there in the documents. It's in the charges against him and in his plea agreement. He was charged with it (among other things) and he pleaded to it (among other things). And the earth is flat, because that's what I believe, notwithstanding the evidence.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Peter, you may find this hard to believe, but there are actually people in this world that disagree with your opinion

With respect to all parties, this is a classic!

Admittedly, I too think (know) I am right most (all) of the time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Peter, you may find this hard to believe, but there are actually people in this world that disagree with your opinion.

The headline of the case was the admission of trimming but the mail fraud is entirely tied to the shill bidding. And for those that disagree, fine. But my question for you is this… if there was no shill bidding and just the trimming, does this case result in a plea deal?

When the Wagner is in both the indictment and the plea bargain, go ahead and give me your legal analysis of how the mail fraud is "entirely tied" to the shill bidding.

Oh by the way, not that you would know this, but the language of that portion of the plea agreement is drafted to track the elements of mail fraud.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is absurd, I am not wasting any more effort here.

If I had a nickel for every time you've said that I could buy my own Wagner

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If I had a nickel for every time you've said that I could buy my own Wagner

Sad but true.