Card doctoring video

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I think he is wrong on saying he is linked as a Shill Bidder for Mastro...to my knowledge that is Not True.

It's been too long to remember the details, but:

"Under claims of violations involving the Illinois Consumer Fraud Act, Forman now says Mastro made unauthorized bids to raise prices during its auctions using Forman’s account as well as those of other, unnamed individuals." (https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-counter-suit/)

Seems that Forman's name was out there, but Forman alleged that Mastro used Foreman's account without his knowing to place said shill bids when he filed his suit against Mastro.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's been too long to remember the details, but:

"Under claims of violations involving the Illinois Consumer Fraud Act, Forman now says Mastro made unauthorized bids to raise prices during its auctions using Forman’s account as well as those of other, unnamed individuals." (https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-counter-suit/)

Seems that Forman's name was out there, but Forman alleged that Mastro used Foreman's account without his knowing to place said shill bids when he filed his suit against Mastro.

That's the way I remember it...allegedly he used Forman's bidder number without his consent.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

That's the way I remember it...allegedly he used Forman's bidder number without his consent.

Yes... allegedly

[G1911]

I was corrected by the evidentiary record (because, of course, there is an actual reality outside of what I think or recall). Only shilling Steve's lots, so clearly not the houses using bidders accounts without their cognizance. The house would shill things not owned by the hijacked accounts family members.

https://haulsofshame.com/blog/wp-con...l-bid-list.pdf

[Peter_Spaeth]

Steve being Steve Forman.

[griffon512]

Just when I thought it would be difficult to get more cynical, a thread like this reminds me to hold my beer. Intelligent people actually have to spend time arguing with any adult -- presumably capable of critical thinking and accepting of other norms like the merits of pissing into a urinal instead of the floor -- that knowingly selling trimmed cards without disclosure is both acceptable and legal? At some point you walk past the land of "hey, we can all have differences of opinion" and enter into familiar territory of good old fashioned idiocy.