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Old 05-05-2023, 12:58 PM
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A large public outlash would very strongly suggest that alteration is material. Yes, it is the scammers who are the victim when people say they should be held accountable for their frauds .
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A large public outlash would very strongly suggest that alteration is material. Yes, it is the scammers who are the victim when people say they should be held accountable for their frauds .
It's extraordinarily hard for me to believe that if you took, just for example, a PSA 8 mid 60s Mantle and sold it alongside another of the same card and grade but disclosed it had been trimmed, there would not be a significant price disparity.
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Mathis on the interview circuit now. I haven't listened to it but it's been summarized as a lot of rationalization.


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It's extraordinarily hard for me to believe that if you took, just for example, a PSA 8 mid 60s Mantle and sold it alongside another of the same card and grade but disclosed it had been trimmed, there would not be a significant price disparity.
It’s extraordinarily hard for anyone who isn’t a shill for the fraudsters to understand, because it is obviously and completely false. It only makes sense when one has a vested interest in supporting fraud and must conclude this.
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I quit reading at some point but could someone please tell this idiot that not everything is an opinion. a fact is not a god damn opinion you f’ing moron.
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I quit reading at some point but could someone please tell this idiot that not everything is an opinion. a fact is not a god damn opinion you f’ing moron.
I tried to do that Glyn, what Bill was accused of is laid out right in the indictment, so denying it is not a matter of somehow having a different opinion, it's just wrong on the facts.

The definition of fraud, and mail and wire fraud, is also a matter of fact.

Of course, when one asks whether it SHOULD be applied to prosecute card doctoring, then one is in the realm of opinion.
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