Greg Morris raw cards - trust or no?

[JollyElm]

Not offering an opinion, per se, but any outfit moving the sheer volume of cards that GM does will have some occasional cardboard slipping through the cracks...more so when it comes to century+ old tobacco cards measuring out 'correctly.' Seems the only way to ultimately be sure is by in-hand verification after you buy it.

(Yes, I understand that last bit is a very obvious statement that deserves a "Duh!!" )

[Flintboy]

Slowed way down on buying from him. His grading has been all over the place lately. Not sure if it’s because he’s grown too fast too quickly? On his YouTube videos he pimps his “pre grading process” however there’s a big difference between EX and EX-MT. Not that hard to assign one card condition to the listing.

[quitcrab]

Trust

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Flintboy

Slowed way down on buying from him. His grading has been all over the place lately. Not sure if it’s because he’s grown too fast too quickly? On his YouTube videos he pimps his “pre grading process” however there’s a big difference between EX and EX-MT. Not that hard to assign one card condition to the listing.

Concur on this assessment. Recent listing have wild swings in grading. I think they have been getting too much to keep up.

[Flintboy]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31458420452...mis&media=COPY


This card would be lucky to grade a 5 with PSA right now. Print, soft corners, and centering. Not even close to a NM card.

[StraightRaceCards]

Can’t speak for his pre grading as I mostly buy PR type cards from him, but as far as a seller is concerned, I would definitely recommend. Zero issues from the few purchases I’ve made from him and I’ve heard reputable things about him around the hobby.

M@tt G@lvin

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Concur on this assessment. Recent listing have wild swings in grading. I think they have been getting too much to keep up.

Same here. I’ve bought in the 1000’s of cards from him and never any major issues. But probably in the past 2 years I’ve gotten some busts from him. I don’t really take advantage of the return policy. If I get 2 or 3 busts out of 40 cards I just move on. I did get a batch of 69’s and the sizes were all over. They offered a refund but I was too lazy to return them. That’s totally on me. I still buy from them but don’t pay quite the premium I used to and I take more caution in looking over the scans.

I also think this is a volume thing and not anything nefarious. At the end of the day I still buy from him. He’s still one of the best.

[rhettyeakley]

No personal issues but they have gotten so big that they buy so many of the lots in major auction houses and then put them directly on ebay.

I get that they make good money selling commons for stupid money sometimes but personally just sick of getting outbid on every vintage lot just to see them show up on ebay so I will not buy from them. They have basically become a middle man for all vintage commons/lots.

Again, no personal issues or anything.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

No personal issues but they have gotten so big that they buy so many of the lots in major auction houses and then put them directly on ebay.

I get that they make good money selling commons for stupid money sometimes but personally just sick of getting outbid on every vintage lot just to see them show up on ebay so I will not buy from them.

If they can outbid you, and after paying BP and shipping from the auction, and then ebay fees when they sell, and cover their overhead, and can still make a profit, then you aren't bidding enough. Just sayin'.

[Bartholomew_Bump_Bailey]

I will agree with some others in that they are not always 100% accurate with their "grades". But that would be my 1 and only complaint.

One thing I have not seen mentioned is that they ship relatively fast for how big of an operation it is, I've seen other smaller operations take longer.

They've been a big help in completing 2 1950s bowman sets. Definitely trust

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Mark17

If they can outbid you, and after paying BP and shipping from the auction, and then ebay fees when they sell, and cover their overhead, and can still make a profit, then you aren't bidding enough. Just sayin'.

Probably true and I never said anything other than I just choose not to deal with them as I don’t need to feed the machine.

That being said, I should totally bid more to compete with an outfit that can afford to lose money on some lots as they will make up for it in the long run… or maybe not?

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

No personal issues but they have gotten so big that they buy so many of the lots in major auction houses and then put them directly on ebay.

I get that they make good money selling commons for stupid money sometimes but personally just sick of getting outbid on every vintage lot just to see them show up on ebay so I will not buy from them. They have basically become a middle man for all vintage commons/lots.

Again, no personal issues or anything.

This actually worked out to my advantage. There was a near complete ser of T210-1 cards in one of the auction houses. I only needed one card of the lot so hard for me to justify buying the lot. Sure enough, the one card I needed showed up on eBay and I was able to complete my Subset of Jacksonville Jays for $200 instead of buying the lot for thousands of dollars and trying to sell off the rest of the cards. Score!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by kmac32

This actually worked out to my advantage. There was a near complete ser of T210-1 cards in one of the auction houses. I only needed one card of the lot so hard for me to justify buying the lot. Sure enough, the one card I needed showed up on eBay and I was able to complete my Subset of Jacksonville Jays for $200 instead of buying the lot for thousands of dollars and trying to sell off the rest of the cards. Score!

Sort of the same thing happened to me. I missed a photo in auction then saw that Greg Morris had it listed. I couldn't have been happier to reacquire it.

1860 Ambrotype

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Not offering an opinion, per se, but any outfit moving the sheer volume of cards that GM does will have some occasional cardboard slipping through the cracks...more so when it comes to century+ old tobacco cards measuring out 'correctly.' Seems the only way to ultimately be sure is by in-hand verification after you buy it.

(Yes, I understand that last bit is a very obvious statement that deserves a "Duh!!" )

Measuring correctly doesn’t mean diddly poop on t cards. Plenty of big ones out there that got whacked and are now full size or still a little large. So measuring doesn’t mean crap. Especially on tobacco cards. Greg is awesome by the way. A good seller with a good team in place and I know he has banned some scum from consigning to him he wants to do things the right way and tries to make his money honestly.

[Snowman]

Go and get it boys! There's also a crease in the top right corner.

[Howe’s Hunter]

One of the best.

[Al C.risafulli]

Big fan of Greg. I've never bought anything from him because I don't buy a lot of cards, but I've had lengthy discussions with him about his desire to run a clean, honest business and I've heard multiple examples of him owning the inevitable mistakes that happen in a high-volume business, and making them right.

-Al

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't think anyone grading raw cards is using the demented standards being used these days by TPGs. But in terms of the standards I am used to, the cards I've purchased were fairly graded.

[butchie_t]

I have purchased a number of cards from Greg over the years. To my mind they are always better than the grade they have been given.

Butch Turner