JT Realmuto HOF'er?

packs · #1 05-21-2023, 04:43 PM

Jorge Posada gets no respect. While never failing a test I think there was something artificial about both Piazza and Pudge's careers and they were the only better catchers than Posada during his career. He was certainly better than 9 out of 10 catchers and he fell below 5% on his first ballot.

No way Realmuto gets any serious consideration.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 05-21-2023, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

Jorge Posada gets no respect. While never failing a test I think there was something artificial about both Piazza and Pudge's careers and they were the only better catchers than Posada during his career. He was certainly better than 9 out of 10 catchers and he fell below 5% on his first ballot.

No way Realmuto gets any serious consideration.

I always suspected both of those guys.

Mike D. · #3 05-22-2023, 06:23 AM

The thing that really hurt Posada is that he didn't play a full season until his age 27 season. Before his age 30 season, he played in only 443 big league games.

The fact that based on that and being a catcher he's even in the conversation of something like the Hall of Fame is really impressive.

By comparison, Rodriguez debuted at 19 and had played 1,371 games by his age 30 season. Piazza debuted at 23 and had played 840 games by his age 30 season.

philliesfan · #4 05-22-2023, 08:29 AM

Yes. If you compare his stats to Rizzuto. Otherwise not yet.

Mike D. · #5 05-22-2023, 04:23 PM

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I always suspected both of those guys.

I think the "suspected" thing is kind of garbage. You can make a circumstantial accusation against most any player...hard to prove a negative.

Heck, not going to go near saying Posada used, but a guy who suddenly became an above-average regular at 27, played until he was 40, and played with guys like Giambi, Sheffield, and Pettitte? See how easy it is to "suspect" someone?

Peter_Spaeth · #6 05-22-2023, 04:33 PM

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I think the "suspected" thing is kind of garbage. You can make a circumstantial accusation against most any player...hard to prove a negative.

Heck, not going to go near saying Posada used, but a guy who suddenly became an above-average regular at 27, played until he was 40, and played with guys like Giambi, Sheffield, and Pettitte? See how easy it is to "suspect" someone?

I hear you, but if memory serves there were some pretty valid reasons to suspect Piazza and IRod and a lot of people did at the time.

As for Posada, this Sox fan would pick him for his team every time and twice on Sundays, but not a HOFer.

Mike D. · #7 05-22-2023, 04:36 PM

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I hear you, but if memory serves there were some pretty valid reasons to suspect Piazza and IRod and a lot of people did at the time.

In my memory, the reasons were stuff like "big muscles and pimpley backs" but I may have missed some more compelling stuff.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 05-22-2023, 04:39 PM

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in my memory, the reasons were stuff like "big muscles and pimpley backs" but i may have missed some more compelling stuff. :d

lol.

Piazza admitted to using andro.

https://www.metstoday.com/10592/14-1...d-taking-peds/

I am sure Canseco named IRod, for whatever that is or isnt worth. Frank Thomas I think also accused him.

mrreality68 · #9 05-22-2023, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by packs

Jorge Posada gets no respect. While never failing a test I think there was something artificial about both Piazza and Pudge's careers and they were the only better catchers than Posada during his career. He was certainly better than 9 out of 10 catchers and he fell below 5% on his first ballot.

No way Realmuto gets any serious consideration.

posada should have gotten more respect and consideration. But to me he was bordeline HOFer

Mike D. · #10 05-22-2023, 04:15 PM

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posada should have gotten more respect and consideration. But to me he was bordeline HOFer

One side effect of the more transparent HOF voting process (which is generally a good thing) is that it seems like borderline candidates who at least deserve to hang around the ballot a few years are falling below the 5% threshold faster than in the past.

There are lots of guys who probably aren't Hall of Famers, but a few years on the ballot may allow for further appreciation of their careers.

JollyElm · #11 05-22-2023, 04:28 PM

People can throw around all of the advanced stats they want, but the difference here with Posada is that we 'all' saw him play his entire career. Watching countless Yankees games on Channel 11, not once did I think of him as a Hall of Famer. The thought never entered my mind. Various other players, like Jeter, yup, but not Posada.

packs · #12 05-26-2023, 12:50 PM

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People can throw around all of the advanced stats they want, but the difference here with Posada is that we 'all' saw him play his entire career. Watching countless Yankees games on Channel 11, not once did I think of him as a Hall of Famer. The thought never entered my mind. Various other players, like Jeter, yup, but not Posada.

Who is a recent Hall of Fame catcher that you’ve watched every day? What made them a HOFer and not Posada? I’d rather have Posada than Posey and people seem to generally view Posey as a no doubter.