Fanatics buys PWCC

G1911 · #1 05-25-2023, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

Whet ever happened to Mr Clemons with all the "proof" they had against him?

I'd leave to hear a fact-based reasonable argument that the evidence is "proof" and not proof.

I don't know what anyone would expect to have happen. I don't believe he did anything illegal, he just got gift grades from opinion sellers that were his buddies and former coworkers. It exposes the farce of this game, but I don't think he committed fraud and obviously Beckett doesn't give a shit so what would we expect to happen that didn't?

steve B · #2 05-26-2023, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I'd leave to hear a fact-based reasonable argument that the evidence is "proof" and not proof.

I don't know what anyone would expect to have happen. I don't believe he did anything illegal, he just got gift grades from opinion sellers that were his buddies and former coworkers. It exposes the farce of this game, but I don't think he committed fraud and obviously Beckett doesn't give a shit so what would we expect to happen that didn't?

It's been done before, and yes, it's illegal.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...069-story.html

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal.../1344/2359710/

The story ends with the Philatelic Foundation repairing their reputation and again being a leader in the field.
But then, its an older hobby with far less crookedness and less tolerance for that.

Snowman · #3 05-26-2023, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

It's been done before, and yes, it's illegal.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...069-story.html

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal.../1344/2359710/

The story ends with the Philatelic Foundation repairing their reputation and again being a leader in the field.
But then, its an older hobby with far less crookedness and less tolerance for that.

This is quite different. They were selling counterfeit stamps and authenticating them by putting them in slabs. That's very different from someone offering a subjective opinion about the condition of a very much authentic item.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what Joe Clemons et al did was OK, and he without question did receive favorable grades. I'm just saying I don't think the counterfeit stamps case would hold weight as precedence here.

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