First Hall of Famer with a PED suspension?

steve B · #1 05-31-2023, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The point I always get vilified for, the same guys who think steroids should be punishable by death worship Mays, Aaron, and a whole generation of players who popped greenies. Yes I know there are differences, but even so...

An admittedly small sample size, but I can state with certainty that greenies did NOT improve my hitting in any way. Even with a bit more focus, I still can't hit anything with any real speed to it.

G1911 · #2 05-31-2023, 12:13 PM

Greenies were not against the rules, and did not produce video game statistics.

Steroids were against baseball rules (I don't see much case for punishing players before this was true) and did in fact produce absurd video game statistics.

Dexedrine and steroids are very, very different and were treated very differently in the rules at the times in discussion, and produced very different effects.

Deciding many decades later something was not okay to retroactively punish almost everyone of that period makes little sense to me.

I am fine with inducting the steroid guys, it should just be done 1) with a reasonable justification if one is given and 2) not only for guys the writers swoon for (Ortiz) but applied consistently.

steve B · #3 05-31-2023, 12:26 PM

I would have to do a lot of looking up that's more challenging than usual, but I think to some degree the MLB finally cracking down was essentially forced by the IOC which required strict adherence to WADA rules. (which are debatably draconian)
Baseball was in for 2008, but that planning goes back close to 4 years, and their programs which didn't exist much earlier were too weak in 04 and even with stiffer penalties not much better in 05. They didn't even ban HGH until 2011.

Without the IOC taking away an occasional bit of world stage, would they have instituted any programs at all?

View Poll Results: First player with a positive PED test to get voted into the Hall of Fame?
Rafael Palmeiro	1	2.17%
Manny Ramirez	3	6.52%
Bartolo Colon	0	0%
Ryan Braun	0	0%
Nelson Cruz	2	4.35%
Alex Rodriguez	20	43.48%
Miguel Tejada	0	0%
Robinson Cano	2	4.35%
Fernando Tatis Jr.	4	8.70%
Other	14	30.43%
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