If Dale Murphy played for the Yankees............

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Is there really a Yankee bias when it comes to the Hall of Fame? As much as I love to hate the Yankees, in my lifetime I've seen several borderline hall of fame Yankees who seem like they would have gotten in if there truly was a bias.

Thurman Munson, Don Mattingly, Graig Nettles, Rod Guidry, Willie Randolph were all really good players on championship teams yet none of them are in. Munson especially surprises me.

When I was a kid Dale Murphy was like Steve Garvey, who was like Graig Nettles, who was like Dave Parker. It seemed like they were all going to be HOF'ers eventually, but instead they put in Burt Blyleven - who never seemed like a hall-of-famer.

Agreed. While the Yankees, like pretty much every old team has some questionable HOFers like Phil Rizzuto, they may also have the most borderline Hall of Famers of any team. In addition to the ones listed (Mattingly, Nettles, Guidry, Randolph and Munson), you've got:


1) Bernie Williams (5x All Star, 4x World Series, Batting Title, 49.6 bWAR)
2) Jorge Posada (5x All Star, 4x World Series, 42.7 bWAR)
3) Charlie Keller (5x All Star, 5 World Series, OPS+ 152, 43.8 bWAR)
4) Roger Maris (7x All Star, 2x MVP, 3 World Series, hit 61 HRs, 38.2 bWAR)
5) Roy White (2x All Star, 2x World Series, 46.8 bWAR)
6) Gil McDougald (ROY, 6x All Star, 5x World Series, 40.6 bWAR
7) Roger Peckinpaugh (MVP, World Series, 45.2 bWAR)
8) Mel Stottlemyre (5x All Star, 43.1 bWAR)
9) David Wells (3x All Star, World Series, 53.5 bWAR)
10) Tommy John (4x All Star, 61.6 bWAR)
11) David Cone (Cy Young, 5x All Star, 5x World Series, 62.3 bWAR).

Would like to see David Cone get in some day.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Agreed. While the Yankees, like pretty much every old team has some questionable HOFers like Phil Rizzuto, they may also have the most borderline Hall of Famers of any team. In addition to the ones listed (Mattingly, Nettles, Guidry, Randolph and Munson), you've got:


1) Bernie Williams (5x All Star, 4x World Series, Batting Title, 49.6 bWAR)
2) Jorge Posada (5x All Star, 4x World Series, 42.7 bWAR)
3) Charlie Keller (5x All Star, 5 World Series, OPS+ 152, 43.8 bWAR)
4) Roger Maris (7x All Star, 2x MVP, 3 World Series, hit 61 HRs, 38.2 bWAR)
5) Roy White (2x All Star, 2x World Series, 46.8 bWAR)
6) Gil McDougald (ROY, 6x All Star, 5x World Series, 40.6 bWAR
7) Roger Peckinpaugh (MVP, World Series, 45.2 bWAR)
8) Mel Stottlemyre (5x All Star, 43.1 bWAR)
9) David Wells (3x All Star, World Series, 53.5 bWAR)
10) Tommy John (4x All Star, 61.6 bWAR)
11) David Cone (Cy Young, 5x All Star, 5x World Series, 62.3 bWAR).

Would like to see David Cone get in some day.

Well Said and Great List

Would love to see Cone in also

Murphy would not get in even in a Yankee Uniform

[Seven]

It's been said in some past posts, but I think the Yankees Bias amongst the sportswriters nowadays has gone by the wayside. Murphy was a very good player, that belongs in the Hall of Very Good.

Do I think he's more deserving of some of the veterans that have gotten in through the old veterans committee, or some recent selections like Tim Raines? Yes I do. But If I'm being honest, the Hall of Fames standards aren't what they used to be, and there's too many players in, that shouldn't be. At least it's not like the NBA or NFL where literally everyone gets in.

[packs]

Any evidence for this Yankees bump in HOF voting? If anything, today I think playing for the Yankees doesn't come with any favors. Bernie Williams lasted two votes. Jorge Posada lasted just one.

I'm not saying either of these guys are locks for the HOF but they were a lot better than 99.9% of all other players on the ballot for one or two voting cycles.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Seven

At least it's not like the NBA or NFL where literally everyone gets in.

Huh?

The NFL prior to the Covid years had a stellar record and put a solid class yearly in a sport with rosters twice the size. The NBA is very hard to get in and has just a small percentage of the members in comparison with small classes. Since the 2000s they have had leaned to bulking by adding at least one woman a year and FIBA international contributors but still have very strong NBA contributors. It's loosened but still has no worse a record than the MLB. Not seeing the proof of MLB exceptionalism here.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Huh?

The NFL prior to the Covid years had a stellar record and put a solid class yearly in a sport with rosters twice the size. The NBA is very hard to get in and has just a small percentage of the members in comparison with small classes. Since the 2000s they have had leaned to bulking by adding at least one woman a year and FIBA international contributors but still have very strong NBA contributors. It's loosened but still has no worse a record than the MLB. Not seeing the proof of MLB exceptionalism here.

Yeah, pretty much agree with this sentiment.

[G1911]

No.

Murphy is not in the Hall of Fame because Atlanta is a small-market (I guess anything but LA or NY is a small market now?), he is not in because the voters looked at the math instead of his popularity.

I am hard pressed to think of a team with more guys not in the Hall of Fame but who have an argument than the Yankees. I am unable to identify many underserving Yankee since WWII (the 1930's have the lowest standards and many teams have numerous undeserving players from that period). Phil Rizzuto, Catfish Hunter & Joe Gordon, though I think only Rizzuto is in because he was a Yankee. Hunter is in for his 5 20 win seasons, 80% with the A's. I'm not sure this implicit claim is supportable at all.

[mortimer brewster]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Huh?

The NFL prior to the Covid years had a stellar record and put a solid class yearly in a sport with rosters twice the size. The NBA is very hard to get in and has just a small percentage of the members in comparison with small classes. Since the 2000s they have had leaned to bulking by adding at least one woman a year and FIBA international contributors but still have very strong NBA contributors. It's loosened but still has no worse a record than the MLB. Not seeing the proof of MLB exceptionalism here.

The NFL has inducted over 120 players in the past 10 years into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Many are deserving yet too many players are getting in.

Please keep in mind that yes the roster sizes are larger but it has become a league of specialists with fewer every down players, especially on defense. It has been this way for nearly 30 years.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by mortimer brewster

The NFL has inducted over 120 players in the past 10 years into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Many are deserving yet too many players are getting in.

Please keep in mind that yes the roster sizes are larger but it has become a league of specialists with fewer every down players, especially on defense. It has been this way for nearly 30 years.

This is what I was referring to.

The NBA has 400 Inductees to the Hall of Fame. It's only existed since 1959.

The MLB has 342 inductees. Despite being around for 20 more years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Seven

This is what I was referring to.

The NBA has 400 Inductees to the Hall of Fame. It's only existed since 1959.

The MLB has 342 inductees. Despite being around for 20 more years.

This is not the relevant comparison, the relevant comparison is how long MLB has been around vs. the NBA.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Agreed. While the Yankees, like pretty much every old team has some questionable HOFers like Phil Rizzuto, they may also have the most borderline Hall of Famers of any team.

Great point. Murphy does not surpass anyone on your list and further. He does not match the historic contribution to the game of either Munson or Mattingly. There would be no additional chance than what his has now.

In my honest opinion, his chances would be worse due to those comparisons. It helps the memory of him to have played all those years on the Braves as he has stronger comparison in retrospect to other Braves not in the hall. Who is out that has equilateral skill level on the Braves? Sheffield or Andruw Jones?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Agreed. While the Yankees, like pretty much every old team has some questionable HOFers like Phil Rizzuto, they may also have the most borderline Hall of Famers of any team. In addition to the ones listed (Mattingly, Nettles, Guidry, Randolph and Munson), you've got:


1) Bernie Williams (5x All Star, 4x World Series, Batting Title, 49.6 bWAR)
2) Jorge Posada (5x All Star, 4x World Series, 42.7 bWAR)
3) Charlie Keller (5x All Star, 5 World Series, OPS+ 152, 43.8 bWAR)
4) Roger Maris (7x All Star, 2x MVP, 3 World Series, hit 61 HRs, 38.2 bWAR)
5) Roy White (2x All Star, 2x World Series, 46.8 bWAR)
6) Gil McDougald (ROY, 6x All Star, 5x World Series, 40.6 bWAR
7) Roger Peckinpaugh (MVP, World Series, 45.2 bWAR)
8) Mel Stottlemyre (5x All Star, 43.1 bWAR)
9) David Wells (3x All Star, World Series, 53.5 bWAR)
10) Tommy John (4x All Star, 61.6 bWAR)
11) David Cone (Cy Young, 5x All Star, 5x World Series, 62.3 bWAR).

Would like to see David Cone get in some day.

I don't see any real distance between Jim Kaat and Tommy John.