Hey, pennant guys

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Clean Sweep has this 46 pennant currently up for auction along with a very nice 44 Tiger pennant. I own the orange version of the 46 pennant and other than the one I have I have never seen these come up for auction.

https://www.cleansweepauctions.com/l...g_type=auction

Ugh.... could you not wait until the day after the auction to broadcast this?

Or are you the consignor of these?

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Ugh.... could you not wait until the day after the auction to broadcast this?

Or are you the consignor of these?

Another auction outted!

[ser1979]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Ugh.... could you not wait until the day after the auction to broadcast this?

Or are you the consignor of these?

Sorry to let the cat out of the bag Mark, and no I'm not the consigner. I'm happy with the orange version of that 46 pennant I have.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Sorry to let the cat out of the bag Mark, and no I'm not the consigner. I'm happy with the orange version of that 46 pennant I have.

That’s a beeeeauty! Tough to improve on that!

[murphusa]

Cleaning out some old bins of auction catalogs and I came across this from 11/1999
Maestro Auction
680-$11,205
681-$12,787
682-$7939
683-$5954
684-$4804
685-$4686
686-$6392
687-$3202
688-$4764
689-$1915

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by murphusa

Cleaning out some old bins of auction catalogs and I came across this from 11/1999
Maestro Auction
680-$11,205
681-$12,787
682-$7939
683-$5954
684-$4804
685-$4686
686-$6392
687-$3202
688-$4764
689-$1915

I still remember that auction vividly. Mastro called it "Mini find of Maxi Felt" or something to that effect. Someone had huge ceiling bids on all of them.... instant outbid notices happened, regardless of which pennant you bid on.

Although meaningless (given the limitless ceiling bids) I was the high underbidder on a few, including the Reds/Tinker pennant, which is still to this day the only oversized Reds Pennant I've ever seen. I wonder what these would sell for today?

[bocca001]

Greg- I like those all of those star pennants, even the Keezer, more than the SF. Wish there was a Trench version with Candlestick. Just feel that SF got left out on the all star game pennant.

Jim- thanks for posting the auction pics. 1999 was before my pennant collecting days. I had not seen those.

Mark- sounds like you think that the same person bought all of them. If so, I wonder what that person's entire collection looks like? Any idea who it is/was?

Do you think that they would sell for as much today? More? About the same? 12k and 11k seem pretty strong.

[ooo-ribay]

I figured Mark got them all.

[thetahat]

If made at the same time, those manager pennants would be from 1913, as that is the only year where Dahlen (Brooklyn) and Huggins (STL) overlap.

Amazing …

[murphusa]

Here is the headline

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Mark- sounds like you think that the same person bought all of them. If so, I wonder what that person's entire collection looks like? Any idea who it is/was?

I’d also love to know the specifics of this “find” (warehouse? Granny’s attic?) and who consigned them.

[UKCardGuy]

Jim, those pennants from the 1999 auction are fantastic.

A similar John McGraw pennant was sold in 2016 for $6500. https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=80517

Out of curiosity, did you save the sold prices all these years or are they available online somewhere?

Thanks.

[murphusa]

I saved available summary’s when they were available

Please don’t start sending me requests from older suction

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by murphusa

I saved available summary’s when they were available

Sir, I salute you. An man after my own heart.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Greg- I like those all of those star pennants, even the Keezer, more than the SF. Wish there was a Trench version with Candlestick. Just feel that SF got left out on the all star game pennant.

Jim- thanks for posting the auction pics. 1999 was before my pennant collecting days. I had not seen those.

Mark- sounds like you think that the same person bought all of them. If so, I wonder what that person's entire collection looks like? Any idea who it is/was?

Do you think that they would sell for as much today? More? About the same? 12k and 11k seem pretty strong.

Marc:
I have no way to know for sure, but it's a good bet that the majority of these went to a single collector. I would bet that all of the "Manager pennants" did, anyway.

The "Manager Pennants" all had ceiling bids that were well above the levels at which they resided late into the night. Most were sitting at/around $3K - $4K at around 10 PM Pacific time. The auction closing rules were different back then... there was no "lot by lot" closing. So at around 11 PM Pacific time/2 AM EDT, I started hitting them with bids. There was not a single instance where my bid was even temporarily in the lead.... the ceiling bids were well above my bids and seemed limitless.

I would assume the final prices realized would've been much higher if someone else was pushing them up late into the night. There were a couple I did not pursue... really didn't love the "SOX" pennant as much as the others, and never placed an initial bid on it. The others were just too spectacular. In retrospect, I wish I pursued it, as it may have been the only attainable one!

Since this auction, I've acquired other examples of the John McGraw pennant (identical to the one Gary posted), the White Sox Pennant with leaping Fielder (that is an image of Frank Chance, BTW) and the Cubs Swinging Bear Pennant. None of the Manager Pennants have resurfaced, and I'd bet they're all still residing in one place.

Regarding what they'd sell for now... it is anyone's guess. You'd think the prices would have appreciated in 24 years, but I'm not so sure. Those were big prices, and the recent oversized pennant find in REA did not exactly blow the doors off... very pedestrian prices IMHO. Granted, the Mastro find was a bit more spectacular, but look at the huge price disparities between Mastro's 1999 "Mini Find of Maxi Felt" and the last REA auction. Collectors are fickle and there is no "price catalog" to refer to with this one-of-a-kind "sole survivor" type stuff. So the prices realized are unpredictable, and seem to depend upon who's bidding at the time and a bunch of other intangibles.

[murphusa]

I agree Mark, but will say, it only takes two

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Marc:
I have no way to know for sure, but it's a good bet that the majority of these went to a single collector. I would bet that all of the "Manager pennants" did, anyway.

Somewhere a lurking whale is smiling...and remaining silent.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I still remember that auction vividly. Mastro called it "Mini find of Maxi Felt" or something to that effect. Someone had huge ceiling bids on all of them.... instant outbid notices happened, regardless of which pennant you bid on.

Although meaningless (given the limitless ceiling bids) I was the high underbidder on a few, including the Reds/Tinker pennant, which is still to this day the only oversized Reds Pennant I've ever seen. I wonder what these would sell for today?

Mark, is this 1919 Reds normal size or smaller? This is from a Christie’s auction. Description says nothing about size.

[perezfan]

It is a vertical full-sized pennant. Not over sized or 3/4 size. The other known Reds pennant from 1919 is also full-sized, but horizontal.

It's not conclusive, but after so many years of collecting these things, I believe oversized pennants were gone prior to 1919. I think it's a good bet that oversized Major League Baseball pennants were made from the 1900s up until 1917 (perhaps 1918).

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please post it!

[perezfan]

I know there's a BST, but thought this would get a better response here...

Does anyone have a nice condition 1969 or 1965 All Star Game Pennant they would sell or trade? Perhaps someone has a duplicate? Neither is all that rare or exotic, but I'd like to complete the ASG pennant run I have going. Just checked eBay, and neither one is currently listed.

I never went after the 1969 version because it looks cheap and mass-produced. It kind of represents the end of the "artistic pennant" era. I never went after the 1965 version because I hate Picture Pennants. But now I regret having 2 holes in the pennant run. Just need 1965 and 1969, if anyone is looking to sell/trade.

Thanks!
Mark

Ps. We are shooting a TSOG Video today, on All Star Game Pennants, to air during All Star Week. I just realized these voids when I pulled them all out... DUH

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

It is a vertical full-sized pennant. Not over sized or 3/4 size. The other known Reds pennant from 1919 is also full-sized, but horizontal.

It's not conclusive, but after so many years of collecting these things, I believe oversized pennants were gone prior to 1919. I think it's a good bet that oversized Major League Baseball pennants were made from the 1900s up until 1917 (perhaps 1918).

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please post it!

Yankees cloth 1950s, made by the same mystery company that did the 1955 WS with the forked tip and is also technically oversized.

And of course the 1969 ASCOs which are almost six feet long … better classified as jumbo sized

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Yankees cloth 1950s, made by the same mystery company that did the 1955 WS with the forked tip and is also technically oversized.

And of course the 1969 ASCOs which are almost six feet long … better classified as jumbo sized

Well obviously, I stand corrected on a technical level. And come to think of it, those Hall of Fame Pennants with all the players' busts are oversized too. But in the true spirit of the thing, I was more contemplating when they abandoned the jumbo sizes of the teens, and switched to what we now know as full-sized pennants becoming the norm.

On a side note... those are beauties. And if the Mets is for sale/trade, please drop me a note!