Jacob deGrom most Ks in first 200 games

[packs]

I don't think there's any one thing that causes a pitcher to get hurt but there's lots of little things you can usually spot. Like with Syndergaard; who in their right mind thought it was a good idea for him to bulk up the way he did? How could he possibly preserve his arm and look like that? And how did it benefit him in any to be a pitcher that bulked up?

Lincecum was obviously a mechanics issue. Despite what he thought were "perfect mechanics" he was destroying his hip.

Same with Prior. A guy thought to have "perfect mechanics".

I just think the pitchers who tend to suffer injury after injury aren't as much pitchers as they are throwers. A guy like Maddux didn't get hurt. He wasn't out there throwing though. He knew how to pitch.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think there's any one thing that causes a pitcher to get hurt but there's lots of little things you can usually spot. Like with Syndergaard; who in their right mind thought it was a good idea for him to bulk up the way he did? How could he possibly preserve his arm and look like that? And how did it benefit him in any to be a pitcher that bulked up?

Lincecum was obviously a mechanics issue. Despite what he thought were "perfect mechanics" he was destroying his hip.

Same with Prior. A guy thought to have "perfect mechanics".

I just think the pitchers who tend to suffer injury after injury aren't as much pitchers as they are throwers. A guy like Maddux didn't get hurt. He wasn't out there throwing though. He knew how to pitch.

As I recall several of DeGrom's injuries were from batting not pitching. Just a delicate guy.

[Seven]

While not a direct one to one comparison, I feel like DeGrom is somewhat close to a modern day Sandy Koufax. An absurdly talented pitcher, that everyone wants on the mound in the big game, but that struggles with health problems. Granted Koufax was able to string together the final six seasons of his career, a magical six seasons!

I hope DeGrom can come back and have a respectable end of a career

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Seven

While not a direct one to one comparison, I feel like DeGrom is somewhat close to a modern day Sandy Koufax. An absurdly talented pitcher, that everyone wants on the mound in the big game, but that struggles with health problems. Granted Koufax was able to string together the final six seasons of his career, a magical six seasons!

I hope DeGrom can come back and have a respectable end of a career

I think that Degrom is more like Tim Lincecum that was Amazon start to his career (except he won 3 World Series) had a short career with highs being highs ie 2 Cy young’s and 3 NL strikeout leader awards and even pitched for Texas (and even started his Texas Career on the DL) but injuries and health issues (degenerative hip condition) ended his career to early

[Seven]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I think that Degrom is more like Tim Lincecum that was Amazon start to his career (except he won 3 World Series) had a short career with highs being highs ie 2 Cy young’s and 3 NL strikeout leader awards and even pitched for Texas (and even started his Texas Career on the DL) but injuries and health issues (degenerative hip condition) ended his career to early

I think that is a fair comparison too. I don't think DeGrom's career is over just yet, Maybe a transition into a closer could be in order for him? Could perhaps the stress of a starting pitcher be too much on his elbow? Closing would allow him to go max effort, all the time for 2 innings a pop. Or Maybe utilize him how the old school, traditional closers were, and have him throw 3 innings? I'm just spitballing here.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Seven

I think that is a fair comparison too. I don't think DeGrom's career is over just yet, Maybe a transition into a closer could be in order for him? Could perhaps the stress of a starting pitcher be too much on his elbow? Closing would allow him to go max effort, all the time for 2 innings a pop. Or Maybe utilize him how the old school, traditional closers were, and have him throw 3 innings? I'm just spitballing here.

I agree I do not think his career is over but as he battles injury and Father Time it makes it harder and as for relief pitching or closing games
that is doable and John Smoltz did it for a few years when he has injury issues and he was amazing at it (even was the NL Saves leader in 2002 )but was younger also when he did it and then came back and started some more

[Peter_Spaeth]

Pretty sobering career stats if you really look at the body of work, and now he's on ice for one plus years. We're only captivated by him because we know how untouchable he is capable of being. But in this life you have to deliver on your talent. I'm ready to stick a fork in his HOF chances.

Hall of Fame Statistics
Black Ink
Pitching - 12 (244th), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink
Pitching - 92 (310th), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor
Pitching - 51 (275th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Pitching - 34 (118th), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
Starting Pitcher (113th):
44.6 career WAR | 39.8 7yr-peak WAR | 42.2 JAWS | 42.2 S-JAWS | 7.0 WAR/162
Average HOF P (out of 66):
73.0 career WAR | 49.9 7yr-peak WAR | 61.4 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162